Session Start: Sat May 28 13:42:06 2011 Session Ident: #nonprophets [13:42] * Now talking in #nonprophets [13:42] * Topic is 'Topic for #nonprophets is: The Non-Prophets will be live on the 28th of May, 2011 at 2pm CDT, 7pm UTC with a very special show. Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com at your leasure. Stream: Not Live.' [13:42] * Set by debdrup!debdrup@nerdheaven.ws on Sat May 28 12:03:37 [13:42] * ChanServ sets mode: +ao Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [13:43] * Non-Prophets sets mode: +o Microbiologychick [13:43] Stream is live - but quiet [13:43] Special show today...two call-in guests [13:45] is Harold Camping one of the guests? :D [13:45] i've got my mirror up now as well if it fills up http://www.bitsizzle.com:9000/nonprophets [13:46] Non-Prophets: btw, i own a streaming company and can stream you guys for free so you don't have to worry about slots [13:47] Please email Matt [13:47] i did a couple months back [13:47] should i again? [13:47] did he respond the first time? [13:47] newp [13:48] I'd try again [13:48] Please email me, then. [13:48] Matt gets so many [13:48] Facebook me [13:48] friend request sent [13:49] * Oscar has joined #nonprophets [13:49] * Oscar is now known as Fishbox [13:51] can someone please update the Non-Prophets webpage to accurately reflect the show times and that it is now a weekly (sort of) show? [13:52] Our new facebook page is accurate. That's all I have control of. [13:54] Waiting on Denis [13:54] * James has joined #nonprophets [13:55] * Scott has joined #nonprophets [13:55] * franco has joined #nonprophets [13:56] not hearing anything yet [13:56] * Kazim has joined #nonprophets [13:57] could someone explain how to listen live? I tried to click on the links from their site but it just downloads a link thats opened in notepad. I t doesnt direct me anywhere... [13:57] download the link and open it with real player [13:57] you have to download a program that can play it [13:58] Denis is here...we'll be starting soon [13:58] or winamp [13:58] how do i open it in winamp? [13:58] or set that fiel type to open with a program you already have [13:58] * Jacob has joined #nonprophets [13:59] * Borr333 has joined #nonprophets [13:59] * rudeboy has joined #nonprophets [13:59] Huzzah. Has the show started, yet? I've never listened live [13:59] if you save the target to your desktop, you should be able to right click on the file and select "open with..." and then choose winamp [13:59] * Donny- has joined #nonprophets [13:59] Denis! Denis! [14:00] And after three weeks he said "let there be Loubet [14:00] ouch [14:01] I thought I was the super bad pun guy [14:01] ok thanks I think that worked although I'm not hearing anything [14:01] Did everyone make it through the rapture okay? [14:01] stream is running, just nothing live yet [14:01] Jesus missed his flight to Earth [14:01] * Reid has joined #nonprophets [14:02] I hear breathing [14:02] yeah, just like all the other raptures, kinda boring and easy to ignore [14:02] yes, but i almost didn't survive under the crushing weight of really tired jokes about the rapture [14:02] * hello has joined #nonprophets [14:03] * franco has quit IRC (Goodbye) [14:03] * franco has joined #nonprophets [14:04] * WhoDey23 has quit IRC [14:04] asonge: no audio :/ [14:04] oh, there [14:04] I got all my crap at work early so I could sit in the office and listen live, guilt free. Working by yourself on Saturday doesn't have to be all bad [14:05] I still don't here anything...that's just not my connection, right? [14:05] * Shablagoo has joined #nonprophets [14:05] yay!!! [14:05] No go here either. [14:05] i can hear matt talking to damon [14:05] lb: yeah, they're setting up [14:05] Huh, I hear nothing [14:06] Matt Damon? [14:06] ahhh! dial tone in my ear canals [14:06] * stengel_a has joined #nonprophets [14:07] anybody listening to this via their smartphone? [14:07] are teh two servers set up by a fan still working? [14:07] franco: you can use mine [14:07] Starting! [14:07] franco: http://www.bitsizzle.com:9000/nonprophets [14:07] Pre show [14:07] thanks [14:07] Pre and post show makes listening live worth it [14:08] Theists say we've got no principles [14:08] Hey, does anybody else listen to Dr. Robert M. Price's "The Bible Geek" podcast? [14:08] i have [14:08] yes, love it [14:09] hurray! People who know wtf what I'm talking about [14:09] * Print has joined #nonprophets [14:09] keep dropping. [14:09] sound good here [14:09] Franco, is your server reliable? [14:09] asonge, I mean [14:09] sorry [14:09] yeah it's working [14:10] ok, it seems like it's stable now. [14:10] Borr333: i run that icecast instance just for nonprophets [14:10] * Jacob has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]) [14:10] Beth for the save [14:10] * Pyode has joined #nonprophets [14:11] "behind the times" is being awfully charitable... [14:11] * David has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]) [14:12] I keep dropping out [14:12] i had to go to shreveport yesterday, and passing into baptist country from catholics country is scary...catholic south louisiana is much more sane [14:12] Borr333: you said you're on mobile? [14:12] no, I am using my laptop [14:12] but, I was curious about a smartphone option [14:12] should work on that [14:13] actually, asonge, I tried yours twice and it only places like a 5 second snippet [14:13] (sorry to be the asshole that needs tech support, btw) [14:13] on what client? [14:14] uh, no matter how I click on it, it opens with firefox [14:14] ah, yeah [14:14] open it in windows media player or vlc or something [14:14] streams don't work in browsers most of the time [14:14] it works in chrome [14:14] franco: with caveats :) [14:14] when i clicked on it it opened in chrome [14:14] well, I am listening to the official stream with VLC...and it seams like it's stable for now [14:14] I'll quit whining [14:15] I'm a redditor, bw [14:15] btw [14:15] browsers often think it's a file instead of a stream, it'll drop frames if it doesn't have enough of a buffer to play that segment, then continue on [14:15] i know it sounds complicated and stupid [14:15] and it is. [14:15] * cisman-filth has joined #nonprophets [14:16] yes itunes keeps rebuffering the official stream [14:16] it's so annoying [14:16] Print: try my stream in itunes? http://www.bitsizzle.com:9000/nonprophets [14:17] they feared those militant atheists were going to show up with guns [14:17] ok, running yours now, asonge [14:17] yes, those typically violent atheists [14:17] I am chronologically confused about the conversation, now. lol [14:17] but, yeah, [14:17] they were just being smart, bullets actually exist [14:17] always shooting up planned parenthood clinics, and threatening holy war [14:18] "Fight after graduation!" really does sound Christian [14:18] Show started [14:18] ? [14:18] Donny-: yes [14:18] yes [14:18] This doesn't sound like pre show anymore. [14:19] I guess I buffered over the starting music and denis' intro [14:19] Are those lifesupport machines I hear in the background? [14:19] no [14:19] don't think so [14:19] 'hey mr funny man, coooome 'ere!' *pushes* obviously not a physics major.... [14:19] I can't wait for Dave Silverman to show up in Bastrop, Louisiana [14:19] he travels via shadows, btw [14:19] we should get them some billboards [14:19] Borr333: that's kkk country, man [14:19] No one hears the hospital beep in the background? [14:20] Yay! More Beth than usual! [14:20] Borr333: i never stop anywhere in north louisiana...it's scary. [14:20] Shablagoo: nope [14:20] Goddamnit, I forgot about the show again [14:20] Guess it was just me then. [14:20] asonge, I live in Kentucky. The second largest KKK compound is two towns over from where I live [14:20] * JamesP has joined #nonprophets [14:20] what part of KY? I live in Florence [14:20] the kkk was listed in the phone book up to a few years ago up there :) [14:20] those fucks like to strut around, but unless you're a poor Mexican, they won't lift a finger against you [14:21] I live in Webster County [14:21] that white blood is precious! you cant waste it on other whites! [14:21] lol [14:22] I can't get your stream to work asonge but thank you for trying. [14:22] Print: oh, itunes wants a playlist is why [14:22] that's a direct link [14:22] you can use quicktime and "open url" [14:23] Hey, we're taking the high ground and not making fun of the girl who gave the invocation prayer for being comically obese, right? [14:23] i don't have quicktime but i do have windows media. [14:23] yes [14:23] Print: same thing [14:23] is it? [14:23] :0 [14:23] well, file -> open url [14:24] works the same [14:24] I spend too much time on r/atheism. I always have to check boundries, now [14:24] Borr333: i've had to stop going to r/atheism/new and restrict myself to r/atheism a few times a day [14:24] privilige-blindness [14:25] Asonge: it won't work it tries to open it as a new tab. [14:25] Print: oh, you need to copy/paste the url [14:25] and won't load [14:26] He Damon was Muslim he would have gotten physically attacked [14:26] not that I like Muslims any better, but I know how shit is in these little southern towns' [14:26] Asonge: how? just opens up a new tab. [14:27] * rudeboy has left #nonprophets [14:27] Print: highlight it in the chat window? [14:27] right click and see if there's a copy link [14:27] it doesn not highlight, asonge. at least not in the java browser client [14:27] ah [14:27] not it doesn't [14:27] even if something is offensive, it doesnt suddenly make something incapable of being wrong [14:28] THATS where her accent's from! Do Like! [14:28] I opened it in a new window, copypasta from address bar, then opened in VLC [14:28] i'll try that. [14:28] i have another server set up so that i can get a web player that uses the new html5 audio or flash [14:28] but it requires some coordination [14:30] bah, i added 1 too many negatives in that last comment [14:30] * Tscott has joined #nonprophets [14:30] * zexan has joined #nonprophets [14:31] * William1 has joined #nonprophets [14:31] Speaking of atheist community and r/atheism...am I the only the one that finds there to be a very strong anti-community sentiment in r/atheism [14:31] Borr333: there's a contingent of atheists who think that any group will make atheism a religion [14:31] that's everywhere [14:32] That's bullshit. [14:32] I hear Rick Perry may run for President...that's scary [14:32] Thanks Damon! You inspired! [14:32] Microbiologychick: obviously...because we all know that the homebrew club i attend is a religion. [14:33] well, my theory is that there is such as a thing as an "Asperger's Atheist"...someone who has an analytic brain that allows them to come to purely logical conclusions...but at the cost of the suite of social skills most humans have [14:33] That's not a theory...I've seem it. [14:33] * Blahface has joined #nonprophets [14:33] do you have asperger's? [14:33] iirc, asperger's is overrepresented in the atheist community [14:33] What. [14:33] * Blahface has quit IRC (Blahface) [14:33] No! Matt is number one! [14:33] What is your basis for this? [14:33] Matt is going to grow his hair out? [14:34] No...wigs [14:34] * JamesP has left #nonprophets [14:34] asonge: I'm sorry, but unless you have specific data to back that up, I'm calling hogwash on it. [14:34] debdrup: i've heard reference to a some polls, i've sent an email asking for data, but i've heard it in a few places [14:34] not sure I want to see that [14:34] YES!!! Matt in drag! [14:34] yes, totes the coolest [14:35] * William1 has quit IRC (Broken pipe) [14:35] asonge: I'm still calling hogwash on it. [14:35] what are we calling hogwash on? [14:35] do we get to vote on the outfits? [14:36] The news got raptured [14:36] Borr333: that there's any above-average representation of people with aspergers in the atheist community. [14:36] aaaaaaand bakc to paypal [14:36] * debdrup changes topic to 'Topic for #nonprophets is: The Non-Prophets will be live on the 28th of May, 2011 at 2pm CDT, 7pm UTC with a very special show. Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com at your leasure. Stream: Live.' [14:36] i've got it working now guuys. :) [14:36] I'm sure Stephen Fry could give him an outfit or two. [14:37] You know...I may be from Kentucky...but at least I'm not from Tennesse [14:37] lol [14:37] debdrup: i've found a few tenuous resources, but it seems there's no formal study [14:37] http://www.autisable.com/728164181/aspergers--atheist-/ [14:37] another tennessean checking in here- thanks for that borr : ) [14:37] Alabama, Mississippi, and South Carolina are worse [14:37] MORE Beth! [14:38] it's ok to be takei! [14:38] beth's just started speaking to the second caller, how far behind am i? [14:38] you guys want to get that guy in SC protesting his school prayer? he's kinda getting overlooked [14:38] * asonge forgets his name [14:38] Wow, there's actually an asperger=atheist thing? I just say that because it alliterates [14:38] Borr333: it's not really been well-demonstrated [14:38] both communities are pretty small [14:38] Rhode Island! [14:38] asonge: that's not very convincing. [14:38] debdrup: duh. [14:38] Sand Blaster [14:38] lots of anecdotal evidence [14:39] more paint [14:39] well, Im not saying all atheists are. I'm just saying that there is a small group of atheists that come to their nonbelief purely from reason, but are against the idea of even associating with other atheists and are ironically vocal about it [14:39] fight the ACLU? They need to go back to school themselves [14:40] oh am i ahead then? [14:40] Does she go to James Woods High? [14:40] lol [14:40] asonge, your stream keeps dropping out. Slap your server [14:41] Borr333: it's the upload from the original stream [14:41] ^ [14:41] matt's connection is a normal cable connection and i'm just proxying that stream [14:41] if he doesn't have enough upload to get to my server, everyone starts dropping bits [14:41] I figured. I just wanted to tell you to slap your expensive server like it was an old TV [14:41] Rhode Island is like 3 square miles...how many people can there be? [14:42] * Grifir has joined #nonprophets [14:42] there's 50 to a house. [14:42] * C has joined #nonprophets [14:42] people called her a nazi! [14:42] well, they are mostly Catholic, so there may be 50 to a house...2 parents and 48 kids [14:43] .....and satan. [14:43] Hitler was a Creationist. I've read excerpts of Mein Kampf where he uses the same "kind" arguments as modern Creationists do [14:43] How do you know she's a witch? She looks like one! [14:43] can she float? [14:43] build a bridge out of her [14:43] I'm not saying Creationists are Nazis, I'm just saying they haven't updated their rhetoric since at least the 1930s [14:44] Godwin's law. [14:44] just say under canada [14:44] Jerry Springer came to my school to give a talk...true story. [14:45] oh that is vile what her classmates did to her [14:45] was there a fight pat? [14:45] * Grifir has quit IRC (Grifir) [14:45] Did that Springer talk end up being a huge brawl? [14:45] yes its law! GOD always WINS! [14:45] heh [14:46] no. lol Springer was there to talk about the homeless (he was a news reporter for the NBC station in Cincinnati at the time) [14:46] gah, this skipping is :( [14:46] homeless fight! [14:47] When a homeless shelter burns down do they become "homelesser"? [14:47] * cli has joined #nonprophets [14:47] good question lol [14:47] Homelessest [14:48] I think the streets have to burn down too... [14:48] the other day i saw a homeless guy who had a bed up on a frame with a well-made comforter (really bright and colorful) underneath an overpass [14:48] So, anyway, whenever Jehovah's Witness knock on my door I've stopped telling them I'm atheist had have started to try converting them to Gnostic Christianity. I think it terrifies them more [14:48] Get her on retainer while she can't charge $500/hr! [14:48] * cli has quit IRC (cli) [14:48] good plan, Borr [14:49] Borr333: sparks in mud-bodies? [14:49] you are correct, sir [14:49] Not as good as Beth's [14:49] * Fishbox has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]) [14:49] Jehovah was a mad creator god, but Jesus is the son of the real, higher god [14:49] Haters gonna hate... [14:50] do you preach the Gospel of Peter? [14:50] * umbridge has joined #nonprophets [14:50] for President?! [14:51] I need to read that. I also need to read the gospel of thomas and see what I can dig up on Marcion [14:51] * umbridge has quit IRC (umbridge) [14:51] Have you read Bart Ehrman's book "Lost Christianities"? [14:51] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-gI_pFog0 just because. [14:51] I've read most of Ehrman's books [14:51] i've just bought his book on forgeries in the bible. [14:51] and, like I said, I never miss an episode of the Bible Geek [14:52] i haven't read it yet..... [14:52] is it any good? [14:52] yes, it is very interesting [14:52] * C has left #nonprophets [14:52] Huh, weird. [14:53] I've started to lose my patience with Ehrman, though. His only arguement for a historical, non mythological Jesus is "Of course there was a historical Jesus!" and "tradition!" [14:53] hell, thats why we here still have a pointless royal family.... [14:54] yes pain isn't it..... [14:54] Apparently "Syntax Distribution" has claimed it owns Hell March even if it was made by Frank Klepacki. [14:54] Youtube fucking sucks. [14:55] * Shablagoo has quit IRC (Broken pipe) [14:56] All the Facebook research I've done tells me that I'm the only atheist in the tri-county area [14:56] ...facebook research. [14:57] I doubt that's true, it's quite a useful blanket for some avoid ridicule. [14:57] Professor Matt's Atheist High School! [14:57] to* [14:57] * hello has quit IRC (hello) [14:57] yes, facebook research. Use of the search function and reading profiles [14:58] im curious, is Kane the influence for Matt and that other guys appearence. i mean they are bother leaders of dangerous underground cults..... [14:58] a Christian on a message board I frequent tried to claim that the problems with public schools has been increasing because we "took prayer out of school" [14:58] but, then, this is a sparsely populated area with a lot of Pentecostals, so it's not exactly a freethinker breeding ground [14:59] Borr333: i grew up pentecostal, and i've met a few people i went to church with that have left [14:59] wel all spoke in tongues and fell on the ground, etc...it's scary/funny in hindsight [15:00] Oh, yeah, I'm aware of what goes on in charismatic cults [15:00] i agree with russell. [15:00] I speak in tongues, but only when I'm drunk [15:00] In a way, I'm glad I was raised catholic so I didn't have to deal with all that manic bullshit [15:01] yeah, i live in the catholic half of louisiana, and it's much more sane here because the priests actually tend to slow people down from becoming nuts [15:01] I speak with a tongue, does that count? [15:01] I was raised Baptist, but we didn't go to church. I went to daycare and kindergarten at a Baptist school though [15:01] * rhetoric has joined #nonprophets [15:01] i had a blowout yesterday north of alexandria in bible belt country and CBN was on the TV in the goodyear shop [15:02] debrup, this is my first time in the chat. are you one of the show hosts or a fan moderator? [15:02] shes actually a prototype advanced ai [15:02] Borr333: this channel's op is all I am. And it's debdrup. :) [15:03] * Shinoda has quit IRC [15:03] * MikeTheInfidel has joined #nonprophets [15:03] Actually, I'm male and not, as far as I know, an AI. [15:03] well, we've been violently raping people for decades now. why don't they just stop complaining? [15:03] that what AI would say [15:03] ok. I was just curious. I know that during the Atheist Experience live show, some of the hosts get in the chat [15:04] * MikeTheInfidel has quit IRC (MikeTheInfidel) [15:05] not that I would suck up to you, either way. [15:06] Roland: I'm not sure a sufficiently advanced AI could come to fruition just yet, seeing as such an AI might need to have as many neurons as a human (on the order of 1,1*10^11 [15:06] speaking in binary now....... [15:06] how will the west outbreed the muslims an china if we have contraception! [15:06] 00101010 [15:06] :0 [15:07] I'd like to think that all president's obeyed the Constitution first and foremost. But I'm Naiive. [15:07] debdrup: i think you could get something conscious without that many "neurons" or even interconnections [15:07] we have ai good enough to pass the turning test for a while, maybe you just have slipped up yet! [15:07] An AGI isn't possible, yet, but an AI might be, at least in some form. A computer intelligence might be so alien in its structure and process that we may not recognize it as a form of intelligence [15:07] we're still hella far away [15:08] I'm something of a transhumanism and Singularity geek... [15:08] yeah, that stuff is currently very scientifically dubious [15:08] like hover cars. :) [15:09] i don't think anyone alive will see any sort of serious life extension in the form of offloading consciousness into electronic hardware [15:09] i think it's possible in principle [15:09] asonge: well, it's certainly not a foreign subject to science fiction, but most seem to agree (if they at least talk over their ideas with scientists before writing about it, a habit that most science fiction writers have) that there needs to be on the order of that ridiculous amount of "on the close order of" [15:09] debdrup: yeah [15:09] As for the Turing test, that's just a test of interactability...and, really, just because a human can pass the Turing test doesn't mean they have a sentient inner life...just that they are high functioning social computer...which is all the brain is [15:09] Also, I think the term would have to be PI, not AI. [15:09] Magnum? [15:10] No. [15:10] oh... [15:10] Pseudo Intelligence. [15:10] But really, I'd much prefer to just call it intelligence. [15:10] there's plenty of that about. [15:10] I can't see why a sufficiently advanced electric system with enough interconnects can't be as intelligent (if not more) than me. [15:10] Is there a State in the US that's closest to the EU that all the rest? [15:11] Europe shakes their head at us. [15:11] god is the biggest abortor of them all [15:11] yes. [15:11] The Scandinavians point and laugh [15:11] What do you mean "closest to the EU"? [15:11] i think maine is closets [15:11] geographically, lol [15:11] geographically? [15:11] hahah [15:11] Maine or New York. [15:12] politically? perhaps vermont or massachusettes...maybe oregon? [15:12] is iceland in the EU? [15:12] the eu still has italy and ireland though =/ [15:12] Iceland is in the EEC but not the EU. [15:12] vermont just got single-payer. [15:12] stengel_a: I haven't noticed many Scandinavians pointing and laughing at the US. [15:13] * starlightchild has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756]) [15:13] No, you haven't, they're too polite. [15:13] yes. [15:13] I'm Scandinavian.. [15:13] i've got a swedish friend who really wants to live in the US, but he says if he's going to be a poor person, he wants to be swedish. [15:13] in Scandinavia? [15:13] Yes. [15:13] In Denmark, specifically. [15:13] erm, in sweden* [15:13] shouldn't they be honoring their patron, Neptune? [15:13] americans point and laugh at Scandinavians.. though we get the direction wrong most of the time... [15:14] :) [15:14] England can't laugh at us when they have an official state religion that was founded by a guy who created it so he could divorce his wife [15:14] but we pay no attention to it. [15:14] And England polititians commit political suicide if they envoke 'god' [15:15] If more people were aware that we have a official religion they would ask that it be removed. [15:15] Just like Denmark has a "state religion" and therefore 98% are "christian" whereas it's probably only 30% (and most are old people, so it's an ever-decreasing number) actually believe. [15:15] I think we need to make Pastafarianism the official religion of the US [15:16] I think the US doesn't need an official religion, whether it's a parody or not. [15:16] debdrup; you are just being kind. I point and laugh at these people here. These religitards are shamefull. [15:16] shave your beard matt! [15:16] there was a 'little' more to it than just te king wanting to get his rocks off, he didnt start the reformation ya know [15:16] No shaving the beard. [15:17] The founders of America had the right idea - it's just gone down-hill ever since the 40s and 50s. [15:17] No Henry needed the Churche's money [15:17] haha- The Beth hath spoken. [15:17] Actually having a beard would improve the drag act. [15:17] Microbiologychick: sometimes shaving a beard can be a good thing. It may have landed me a job (of course, I looked like a mix between a hobo and a non-Frank Beard member of ZZ Top before I shaved). [15:18] See, the Commies are still winning. [15:18] Reaffirm the Patriot Act! [15:18] so is the only way to listen uninterupted to be one fo the first people to connect to their official stream? [15:18] funny that the only guy in ZZ Top without a beard is named Beard [15:18] Really? Already done that? [15:18] franco: nope, it's to listen to the podcast. ;) [15:18] ^^^ [15:18] Freethinker23: the irony is not lost on anyone, let alone Frank. In fact, he changed his name to Frank Beard. [15:18] podcast is good. [15:19] thanks that's really helpful [15:19] I know the recording is fine [15:19] i'm talking about listening live [15:19] didn't know he changed his name [15:19] Err, no. He didn't. [15:19] All hail her Bethness! [15:19] His birthname -is- Frank Lee Beard. [15:19] franco: hopefully, if i can convince matt and get everything done, it'll be on a server with upload capacity [15:19] debdrup: oh my. [15:20] The story goes that he used to call himself Frank Lee though - but when he joined the band, he just had to go by Frank Beard. [15:20] Unconfirmed, but a fun story. [15:20] Frank Lee, my Beard, I don't give a damn [15:20] * asonge loves his beard [15:20] the world will end on 2012 when we will enter the fifth dimension! [15:20] He has a mustache, though. [15:20] true story... [15:20] Print: true story my ass. [15:21]