Session Start: Sat Aug 12 13:04:15 2006 Session Ident: #nonprophets [13:04] * Now talking in #nonprophets [13:04] * Topic is 'Tune in to the next LIVE Non-Prophets show, Saturday, August 12th, 2006! at 3:00 PM EDT on http://www.nonprophetsradio.com, or visit the website for archived episodes.' [13:04] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat Jul 29 15:30:22 [13:04] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [13:04] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3:00 PM EDT on http://www.nonprophetsradio.com! [13:04] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3:00 PM EDT on http://www.nonprophetsradio.com! (Non-Prophets)' [13:09] hullo [13:10] Hiya [13:10] Just setting everything up right now. [13:11] My first time listening to the live show. I hand't seen the broadcast time before and assume it'd be in the early hours of the morning here in the UK. [13:11] What time is it there, about 10? [13:11] But after getting the mention, I figured I should pay more attention :) [13:12] :) [13:12] Nah, 19:12 right now. [13:12] I had incorrectly assumed you'd be doing the show in the evening your time. [13:13] Cool, it's been ages since I've been there, I always forget if it's about 6 hours or 9 hours. (Some sort of vertical or perverted dyslexia) [13:14] The various rules about daylight saving in different places confuse the... umm, hell(?) out of me. [13:14] I'm actually broadcasting music right now...you're welcome to connect early. Playing McCartney and Wings right now... [13:14] Shall do - good for a streaming test. [13:15] there you are [13:15] yeah working fine. [13:15] Yeah, had to connect to the website to get the address forst. [13:15] *first [13:15] what are you using - shoutcast? [13:15] Yeah, the broadcast is running on another machine, so I chat and connect on this one, just so I can hear how the stream sounds [13:15] Yes [13:16] cool. [13:16] * rudeboy has joined #nonprophets [13:17] ah, you guys are up early today [13:17] I'm really impressed by the ogg version of the atheist experience by the way. [13:17] Russell won't be here today...so I don't think we have any new information about possibly joining Reggie's network. For now, I'm happy just to keep getting the podcast out, but we'd like to join a stable network too. I can only host about 30 folks live [13:17] Hiya rude [13:17] morning, or afternoon [13:18] whatever applies [13:18] The ogg stuff is entirely Stephen's doing. He's one of the producers of the show and a huge linux nut, so he really wants us to give folks options [13:18] yay, good for him. I'm a Linux nut too. [13:18] hello rudeboy [13:18] hi, LJ [13:18] :D [13:19] 8) [13:19] You may actually hear him on the non-prophets in the future. He's fucking brilliant at coming up with good arguments (and has a great memory) but he's uncomfortable in front of the camera...so I'm trying to get him to talk here in the safety of "Dillahunty International Studios" ;) [13:20] I understand his shyness. The mere sight of a camera and I can /feel/ my face going all weird. [13:20] takes getting used to, like when I first took a speech class oh so many decades ago [13:20] I used to be terrified of public speaking...seriously. Now I'm doing TV, radio, lectures... [13:20] "stage fright" [13:21] yeah. I get all nervous in front of more than about 3 people. Hate giving presentations etc. I guess it's a learnable skill, but not one I've ever learned. [13:21] I worked my way through that taking theater courses [13:21] I actually credit Penn and Teller with helping me change that aspect of my psyche. Last week, in Vegas, I got to meet and talk to both of them - and thank them for the work they're doing and their influence on my own life [13:21] totally cool [13:22] Wow, cool. P&T are excellent. [13:22] We don't get Bullshit over here, but I managed to get a copy of the first series. Hilarious. [13:22] I mean we don't get "their bullshit tv series on TV" over here. There's plenty of genrasl bullshit floating around ;) [13:23] heh heh [13:23] *general [13:23] I'm waiting on the season 3 DVDs, but yeah, I love the show [13:24] Somehow, and I don't give them ALL the credit (I'm ultimately responsible for my own changes), by virtue of simply being themselves, they flipped the "it's ok to speak up" switch in my brain. By being unapologetically atheist and openly ridiculing religion, they eliminated a couple of obstacles [13:25] sounds about right. [13:25] Don't you worry about getting abuse? [13:25] Especially in Texas. Kudos for having balls. [13:25] But isn't what you do a little risky? [13:26] They were both very appreciative of my comments and Teller was obviously moved and very talkative. He has an advance copy of Dawkins new book and encourged me to pre-order. He said it's "amazing". [13:26] Curiously, I'm catching up on a whacky Showtime series that's rerunning on Sci-fi: Dead Like Me. In spite of the obvious religio-related stuff, it's a funny show. [13:27] I might have to splash out on that. I didn't buy Dennets book yet. What's the title again, "breaking the spell"? [13:27] Aye, "Breaking the Spell: Religion as a natural phenomenon" [13:27] Thanks. [13:27] I had never come accross him until I watched The Atheism Tapes series. [13:27] I've had people ask me that before and, truthfully, there was about 10 minutes of concern, and then...nothing. Austin, despite being in Texas is very liberal, so I'm not really afraid. Plus, I've pretty much resigned myself that speaking out, regardless of risks, is required. So I'll take the good with the bad. :) [13:27] I was very impressed by his manner. [13:28] Well I applaund your stand. [13:28] * bnem has joined #nonprophets [13:28] I had someone in the UK burn me a copy of the Atheism Tapes (the documentary and extended interviews aren't available here - or weren't) [13:28] wb bnem [13:28] hi [13:28] Hiya bnem [13:29] There's not so much point in taking a stand here at the moment. The religious institutions are on the back foot a little, but there's always a danger they will gain momentum. They are trying to get more input in the education system right now, which is a matter of some concern. [13:29] speaking of UK they guy who runs rpgmp3 is moving to Texas in December [13:30] I think the recent bomb-threat is going to be a good barometer of how stable "reason" is in the UK. The backlash we saw after 9-11 was scary...hopefully you guys won't _ever_ have to deal with such blatant backward strides [13:31] The Atheism Tapes is the 6 episide extended interviews thing. The interviews were originally recorded for the series "A rough history of disbelief". [13:31] *episode [13:31] Right, he sent me both of them :) [13:31] I'd love to get a boot of that myself [13:31] Wow, great. [13:32] If I ever get it back (it's making the rounds of the ACA), I'll let you know, rudeboy [13:32] I transcribed whole series "The Atheism Tapes". Took a while, but it's a nice resource. [13:32] thank you [13:32] They're posted on my joke religion website: http://cotimotb.siteburg.com/wiki/index.php?wiki=AtheismTapesIntroduction [13:33] Though, with youtube and google video...they may be available already [13:33] aaaaah, they're on Youtube? [13:33] I saw that Dawkin's series "Root of All Evil?" was available on gogle video. [13:33] shows you how often i google [13:34] * rudeboy writes a post it [13:34] with a pen and paper post it. I'm so high tech [13:35] * Asj has joined #nonprophets [13:36] * Asj has quit IRC (Asj) [13:38] * bnem has quit IRC (bnem) [13:42] Yep. found part one on you tube: http://youtube.com/w/Richard-Dawkins---Root-of-All-Evil-Part-1?v=CPaD6D54L4o&search=dawkins [13:43] * bnem has joined #nonprophets [13:43] wb [13:43] :) [13:44] semi afk.... doing preshow stuff [13:44] yep, I'm about to load the stream [13:51] silence on the stream [13:51] um hm [13:52] ah voices [13:52] hello [13:52] * atxcats has joined #nonprophets [13:52] Hans the sausage king is back! [13:53] practising the accents eh? [13:53] BTW, your british accept the other week was... well, was it even a British accent? [13:53] radio theater is hard work. Accents take time to learn [13:54] check the mic connector [13:54] My accent impressions are awful too. [13:54] I want God to fix your mic. [13:54] I want mic to fix your gawd [13:54] Nothing fails like prayer. [13:55] heh heh heh -- Barney Rubble [13:55] i was going to write fake letters from jamaica just to hear him do the accent [13:55] lol [13:56] they'd have to stock up on the Jamacan rum first [13:56] * ChristOnIce has joined #nonprophets [13:56] Holy Christ! [13:56] I mean, Hiya Christ! [13:56] Uh Oh someone's gonna be cross.... [13:56] speaking of rum, just made a mojito [13:56] boo [13:56] 1 Hey [13:56] tee hee [13:56] cross, lol [13:56] The show's live in about 3.5 minutes (give or take two glitches) [13:57] and a splinter [13:57] ...and the delay [13:57] 1 Jeff back this week? [13:57] I have a Brazilian friend who, when he is relieved, instead of saying "thank god" he says "thanks god", which is really funny when you hear it. [13:57] hopefully not a tom delay [13:57] ewww [13:57] sorry. let me wipe that stain off [13:57] Umm [13:57] heh heh what if the Icecapades did the Passion of the Christ? [13:58] Someone is flooding the stream [13:58] poor flood control probably [13:58] People are going to get disconnected, and I apologize for that. It looks like an attack [13:58] that's what i thought of, too -- icecapades [13:58] yeah, I can't 'ear anything [13:59] ah, the blades are sharp during an ice show [13:59] If you get dropped, we'll try to get the podcast up quickly [13:59] yeah, dropped [13:59] silence here [13:59] bastards [13:59] still a few seconds though [14:00] anyone know who's doing it? [14:00] yeah, I [14:00] I've been disconnected too [14:00] BRB [14:01] :-p to whomever is doing that [14:01] I d/c'd myself and reconnected. No audio here. [14:01] anyone else getting audio? [14:01] nope [14:01] aha! [14:01] just started [14:01] some music. [14:02] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets The Non-Prophets is LIVE at http://www.nonprophetsradio.com. Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for show information. [14:02] * ChanServ changes topic to 'The Non-Prophets is LIVE at http://www.nonprophetsradio.com. Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for show information. (Non-Prophets)' [14:02] Don't disconnect [14:02] k [14:02] We're good, the flood protection is kicking the attacker [14:02] And capturing the IP address [14:02] sweet [14:02] How do they attack? connection flooding? [14:03] nice to know one can hit back at the a-holes trying to swamp the stream [14:03] Yes, and now that I have their IP, it's time to contact some old friends :) [14:03] I can hear again! [14:03] it's a miracle [14:04] Its the power of ChristOnIce :) [14:04] Best to try and track them down. The DMCA gives teeth to prosecuting attackers like that. Plus it'd make a lovely story in the media. [14:04] lol [14:04] I'll be awaiting the official announcements [14:05] and I'd like video of the perp walks [14:05] and their mug shots [14:05] yep [14:05] back in 5 (still listening though - radio headphones:) [14:06] here's their url http://www.swapaustin.org [14:06] crap. I snapped the riser on my keyboard [14:07] ouch [14:07] * rudeboy searches for something to repair it with [14:07] I tracked the IP to SWB out of Plano and sent an e-mail to their 'abuse@' email address [14:07] all right [14:08] 1 I've been there [14:08] plano, why does that not surprise me [14:08] appropriately named place [14:08] 1 They had a series of christian stand-ups at that church [14:09] sounds like a yawn fest of comedy [14:09] where in hell is my tape? [14:09] 1 It was, but in an entertaining way [14:09] BRB [14:11] 1 Well phrased, Matt [14:12] what's the IP? [14:13] http://samspade.org/ has some nice tools for tracking down idiots like this. [14:14] nobody expects the spamish inquisition [14:15] ha ha [14:15] they're going to fight over those religious gems of wisdom [14:16] or a PHD in feng shui [14:16] It looks like they've stopped the attack, realizing their failure. If anyone has connection problems, please let me know. [14:16] Chat hosted by irc.wikkedwire.com [14:16] Visit the Atheist Community of Austin website: http://www.atheist-community.org [14:16] Visit the Non-Prophets website: http://www.nonprophetsradio.com [14:16] Welcome! If you're having problems connecting, you can connect directly to the LIVE show! Winamp, media player and other software can be used by "connect to URL" or "play URL" features and directing the player to: nonprophets.gotdns.org:8000 (Limited spaces available) [14:17] and itunes [14:17] for us Mac nutters [14:17] this swapaustin.org site has "science" spelled wrong at the top of the browser -- "Sience and Wisdoms Alignment Project" [14:17] or xmms for Linux geeks. [14:17] ha ha [14:17] yep. I really need to learn linux [14:17] no itunes for Linux unless you buy the Codeweaver plugin :( [14:18] someone stole our mac, but we got it back [14:18] Get yourself an Ubuntu CD. You can download one from the ubuntu site, or get them to send you a pack of CDs for free. [14:18] You can install it on your Mac too :D [14:18] Or just run from the CD to experiment (no need to install to try it out) [14:18] does it have a graphical interface or is it entirely command line? [14:19] It's GUI. [14:19] i googled that Bakir Algan guy and couldn't find him [14:19] hm. cool [14:19] * NeutronJack has joined #nonprophets [14:19] There's command line if you want it... like MacOSX, but there's no need to use it unless you want to. [14:19] I have a guru who is trying to get me up to speed on that [14:19] ha, they spelled his name wrong, it's bakir algan [14:19] wb Neutron [14:19] i mean beker [14:19] Afternoon, infidels! [14:19] Just stick it in the CD drive and play. [14:20] bekir [14:20] Hullo NeutronJack [14:20] Neutron! [14:20] hi NJ! [14:20] It's almost like "old home" week... glad folks showed up :) [14:20] I turn 55 this year, then it's old home week [14:20] Had to give the wife a ride somewhere. "You don't understand--NP is coming on!" [14:21] lol [14:21] "Not transcending time"? wtf? [14:21] Jeff, just remember there is no spooooooooon [14:21] blue pill or the red one? you decide [14:21] I am a battery... right... [14:22] Or a dynamo [14:22] ah, I can;t turn that fast [14:22] though I do have a label maker of the same name [14:22] Perhaps you're pizo-electric stuff. Do you spak if you get squeezed? [14:23] no, my brains justdribble out my ears [14:23] *spark [14:23] heh [14:23] along with the dust bunnies [14:23] i used to work near where tesla had his lab in colo. spgs. [14:24] For free ubuntu CDs, try here: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ You have to register for a launchpad account. It's free. Then you log in here and type in your shipping address and they send you free CDs. Takes a few weeks to arrive though. [14:24] I love how those people use words like "transcend" as if they are so elastic [14:24] [14:24] is that linuxspam microwavable? [14:25] I think you have to fry it. [14:25] And don't forget to season to taste. [14:25] linuxspamarama! [14:25] heheh [14:25] He could go one step further and move his thinking directly to the anus. [14:26] ouch [14:26] pffffff! [14:26] Gonna modify and steal that in a second [14:26] And thuus shorten the path between thinking and speeking. [14:26] *speaking [14:26] Not only is that linuxspam microwaveble you could actually use it to run that microwave :) [14:26] just had a door to door numbnut bother me. "Circular foam?" wtf? [14:26] mojito all over the monitor (to got with linuxspam?) [14:26] Don't these people have real jobs? [14:26] It might already be there for all we know. The penguin is closer than you think. muhuhuhuhahaha! [14:27] Sure, real life is like that. One plate of nachos is not enough, three plates is too much. [14:27] then batman must not be far behind [14:27] i need to get a job like that -- i could make up good stuff [14:27] Billy Idol says too much is not enough [14:27] 1 He also says "no religion at all" [14:27] what's that I heard. Yoga "limits" thinking? [14:27] limit thinking. . .good [14:28] whaaa??? [14:28] fuzzy math, Dubya's favorite phrase, though I am sure he has no idea what it means [14:28] children don't have logic? [14:29] counter culture? [14:29] like at Sears? [14:29] BRB [14:29] sounds like jeff remembered what he said [14:30] their website spelled science and algan's name wrong [14:30] 1 And they say there's no consistency in religion [14:30] there are some creationist engineers -- rather weird [14:31] this is going to be good [14:31] god's will [14:31] works in mysterious ways [14:31] God tried to kill us all, but he missed. Nice shootin', God! [14:32] isn't choir practice on thursday? [14:34] atxcats: there were no abused kids under that rubble. honest. phew a whole lot less lawsuits now. [14:34] phew indeed [14:34] 1 I appreciate the irony in people who worship a carpenter and can't build [14:35] ChristOnIce -- that's classic! [14:35] 1 Then again, if you're familiar with Kids in the Hall, Jesus was a bad carpenter [14:35] ChristOnIce: I can't see anything. Does it use weird character set stuff? [14:36] Did Jesus, himself, ever do any carpentry in the bible? I know that it's reasonable to assume, but is it actually biblical? [14:36] well, duh, these aren't the old days [14:36] 1 In the Passion, he invented the dinner table if that coutns [14:36] ChristOnIce: ah, copy-past to another windows shows it up. probably you're using a strange colour? [14:37] 1 LJ, how does one change colour and what colour is good? Everytihng is on default for me and it appears blue [14:37] didn't the bible say "jesus was a carpenter, he ate organic food?" [14:37] uh, put the ? after the " [14:37] ChristOnIce: don't worry about it, it's probably my silly IRC client setup. I need to sort my end. [14:37] Cain was a farmer [14:38] it sounds like god didn't like farmers [14:39] Cain survived! It was Abel's profession that God didn't like. [14:39] ahhh [14:39] Kwai chang Caine? [14:39] isn't he still walking about? [14:40] * NeutronJack is fascinated by this story. [14:40] I use gnostic pans in my kitchen.... [14:41] easier to clean up after... [14:41] * rudeboy ducks [14:41] rudeboy should duck [14:41] quack [14:42] 1 I first heard this story about a late Roman emperor which was fantastic considering there were no forks at the time. [14:42] giant sporks! [14:42] except for forks in the road [14:42] sporks rule! [14:42] splades are a close second. [14:42] I think it's about time we continued the development of cutlery in general. [14:43] What's a splade? [14:43] splade == spoon and a ladle? [14:43] Spoon with a blade on it. [14:43] Of course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splade [14:44] Actually, wikipedia corrected me. it's a spork with a blade on it. [14:44] knife, fork, spoon in one! [14:44] * NeutronJack has to just realize that Wikipedia has an article on everything. [14:44] it needs a corkscrew [14:44] A friend of mine used to collect them when she was younger. Thought her life's quest was to open a spork museum. [14:44] and a beer can opener [14:44] yeahh [14:44] a spork-screw? [14:45] uh, bottle opener [14:45] And a chainsaw [14:45] heh, for those hard to reach jobs [14:45] libraryjuice --muahaha (twice - for the spork-screw and the chainsaw) [14:46] Jeff -- I'm amazed you were able to stay that long! [14:46] "yes, i won't remember a thing about this. thinking is bad" [14:46] I'd have been laughing my ass off if I had stayed [14:46] brb [14:46] good thing I didn't go [14:47] trying to... talk shit. success! [14:47] we can all achieve anything we want if we just balace our chi and our foo (or whatever) [14:49] Jeff were there any Jedis there? [14:49] * rudeboy attempts to balance his cheetos with his beer supply, for achievement [14:52] the facts are irrelevant [14:53] This is my feeling about those who really want to have a showdown: We have physics, biology, chemistry, they have platitudes and bibles and an irony deficiency. Bring it on. [14:53] but Jeff, tell us what you really think! [14:53] lol [14:55] wow, japan checking in [14:58] that's cool [14:58] japan is cool. [14:59] Philosophy? Dry? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? [14:59] for some :) [14:59] You guys can use my pacman eating religious symbols: http://cotimotb.siteburg.com/wiki/index.php?wiki=CultArt [14:59] http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/comedy/nowshow.shtml [14:59] I listen to the now show, erm, religiously. [15:00] http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/comedy/nowshow.shtml [15:00] googling for "now show podcast" works. [15:00] libraryjuice: that rocks! [15:00] thanks :) [15:00] The songs are by a guy called Mitch Benn. He's very good. [15:01] There is now a podcast of the writings of Robert Green Ingersoll [15:01] The BBC website has a "terms of use" page for their podcasts. [15:02] 1 http://www.thatimagesite.com/image/675 [15:02] 1 Heres some religious art [15:02] The individual is God, with a G. Just like Jack, with a J. [15:02] http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/downloadtrial/index.shtml#terms [15:02] http://robertingersollpodcast.blogspot.com/ [15:02] TELL US WHAT NOT TO BELIEVE!! [15:03] * atxcats has quit IRC (atxcats) [15:03] I feel free to mention God, just as I mention Luke Skywalker. [15:03] It doesn't bother me to use God rather than god. [15:03] Isn't it proper to capitalise names of characters in books? [15:04] Sure. [15:04] 1 Proper noun vs noun. God is like Moon in that respect [15:04] * atxcats has joined #nonprophets [15:04] Names of people are capitalized, whether they're fictional or not. [15:04] Yoda could kick the ass of any chariot. [15:06] Out of respect, I call him ---. [15:06] There's no danger of me using the name of the lord because I can't bloody spell it. [15:06] yahweh? [15:06] I have no clue. [15:06] Yahweh. [15:06] ha ha [15:07] Sounds like a total yuppy. [15:07] Really, all that we know are the consonants--YHWH. The vowels are an educated guess. [15:07] It could be YaHooWaHoo. [15:07] Is that a nikud thing? [15:07] lol NeutronJack [15:08] [the niku are accent-like marks on Hebrew letters which are like the vowels, but they're only used when learning to read. The result is that written Hebrew doesn't contain vowel sounds written down] [15:08] *nikud [15:09] I thought peter popped off..... [15:09] priests are touching people all over the place. [15:10] that is such a funny name on so many levels. . . [15:10] We need more holy things. [15:10] sounds like a male porn star name to me [15:10] Holy inner tubes [15:10] Holy belt buckles [15:10] There was a childrens TV series here in the UK in the 80s called "rentaghost" which had a characte called Mrs Poppoff. [15:10] bless us, thy inner tube [15:10] Holy skyscrapers [15:10] i have sand from iraq in a mini tobasco sauce bottle, but it's not holy [15:10] Holy Bananas! [15:10] 1 http://www.divine-interventions.com/ [15:10] 1 Holy dildos [15:11] arrrgh [15:11] 1 Other products as well [15:11] spetember [15:11] talk like a pirate day is september 19th I believe [15:11] one of my fav holidays [15:11] * NeutronJack shivers is timbers. [15:11] * rudeboy wonders where he can find a captain morgan costume [15:12] Shame there is no "talk like a farmer day" [15:12] ChristOnIce: OMG ! I just looked at divine-interventions! OMG how funny! [15:12] ooohhh arrrrr [15:13] It's a new way to feel the spirit inside you! [15:13] rotfl! [15:13] by drinking spirits [15:13] 1 I'm a fan of the baby jesus butt-plug [15:13] rum and tequila make me feel spiritous [15:13] beer and wine too [15:14] http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ [15:14] no pants day is the first friday in may [15:14]