Session Start: Sat Nov 18 13:07:50 2006 Session Ident: #nonprophets [13:07] * Now talking in #nonprophets [13:07] * ChanServ sets mode: +ntr [13:07] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to the next LIVE Non-Prophets show, Saturday, November 18th, 2006! at 3:00pm eastern (19:00 UTC) on http://www.nonprophetsradio.com, or visit the website for archived episodes. (Non-Prophets)' [13:07] * ChanServ sets mode: -ahoq Non-Prophets Non-Prophets Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [13:07] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [13:08] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! [13:08] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! (Non-Prophets)' [13:35] * Kazim has joined #nonprophets [13:36] * Kazim has quit IRC (Chatzilla 0.9.76 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]) [13:36] * Kazim has joined #nonprophets [13:38] I just changed the web page so you can join the chat channel in one click if you have a chat client [13:38] Nice [13:38] I'm a little disturbed actually - normally there's nearly a dozen folks in here by now. [13:38] Hmmm, really? [13:38] Wonder where everybody is [13:39] Maybe they all took off early for Thanksgiving [13:39] What did you do to drive them away? [13:39] They got advance word I was coming [13:40] I gave in to my darker impulses and replied to my stalker. [13:40] http://kazimskorner.blogspot.com/2006/11/divided-we-stand.html [13:40] I know I'll regret it later [13:42] * Targetta has joined #nonprophets [13:43] * rudeboy has joined #nonprophets [13:43] Hey Russell, is it way early what time is it there? [13:43] Hey Rude [13:43] * rudeboy yawns, wipes sleep from eyes [13:43] * ChristOnIce has joined #nonprophets [13:43] Oh, Hi. [13:44] Big night? [13:44] I wish [13:44] Hi guys, we were just wondering why nobody was here [13:44] What ya been doin? [13:44] I'm so broke, a big night is peanut butter on toast and left over iced coffee [13:44] lol [13:45] other than that... how about those democrats? [13:45] * MJ has joined #nonprophets [13:45] they did well huh - might see some change [13:45] accent on the word, "might" [13:46] perfect guys nice and clear [13:46] oh yeah MIGHT [13:46] bible quoting jeezuz dolls, but the bible was written then and jeezuz was an illiterate [13:46] wasn't writtten then.... dman it [13:46] damn [13:47] who moved the key covers on my keyboard, my spelling is all over fuck all [13:47] I so need a beer [13:47] beer will go nicely with the peanut butter and ice cream [13:48] yeah [13:48] Here are three pics of one of my new pets ... http://snakemasterproductions.com/ [13:48] I caught this little guy before the mail truck ran him over [13:49] you'll have to scroll down a little to see him [13:49] * zippyapparition has joined #nonprophets [13:49] so little! what sort of snake is it [13:49] gopher snake [13:50] hatchling, about four or five weeks old [13:50] how big do they get? [13:50] about 6 feet [13:50] shit where they hell do you keep them then? [13:50] Moe and curly are about five feet and some change right now [13:51] They occupy cages in my hallway [13:51] I have never seen a live snake - I can't imagine being able to buy one in a pet store! [13:51] I never buy snakes, I catch my own [13:52] We have lots of snakes around here [13:52] Hey I'm back, was away making Ben lunch' [13:52] where do you find them? [13:52] How is Ben? [13:52] I'm on the edge of a national forest and open land, so tey often crawl into the yard [13:52] He's fine... [13:52] I would be on today but I have, once again, massive crap to do before finals [13:53] massive crrap, not meant to be taken literally, I imagine [13:53] or I'd recommend a good laxative [13:53] I don't think I would get a very good grade if it was [13:53] heh [13:53] ah, memories of my old college daze [13:54] yes, that was spelled right [13:54] Undergrad or grad? [13:54] under [13:54] ah [13:54] But I did get a degrree [13:54] Good thing [13:54] I did, however, take a little time to respond to my blog stalker today. [13:54] for what it's worht these days [13:54] It's at the bottom of http://kazimskorner.blogspot.com/2006/11/divided-we-stand.html [13:54] blog stalker...? [13:54] ah [13:54] You'll see [13:56] ah, yeah, the old, "the only good government is no government" argument [13:56] classic anarchocapitalist mindset [13:57] L. Neil Smith captured that in his Probability Broach novels, but in the real world.... won't work [13:57] The All Blacks are about to play France - I hope it is an interesting show today or I am off [13:57] * atxcats has joined #nonprophets [13:58] wb [13:58] Hey Atx! [13:58] Yeah, well the original post is a separate issue... I'm talking about the feedback at the bottom of the post [13:58] hi! [13:58] crank up the machine guys, it's showtime [13:58] And my reply to the reply [13:58] I'll read that too [13:58] when time permits, I'm battling issues with a flat screen monitor today [13:59] damn ancient Formac flat screen... $#%@$#%@ [13:59] The staff of Tom DeLay's temporary, lame duck, replacement quit en masse the other day. [13:59] Who was that? [13:59] hope someone perpwalks all of them too [14:00] Shelley Sekula-Gibbs. She won the lame duck election, but Lamphear won the real term [14:00] sound! [14:01] * scarlett has joined #nonprophets [14:01] * libraryjuice has joined #nonprophets [14:01] Hey Scarlett! [14:01] welcome to the new show [14:01] hey all [14:01] Sekula-Gibbs had two husbands die on her. The first from poisoned mushrooms. The second from a blow to the head -- he wouldn't eat the mushrooms [14:01] hey all! [14:01] Hi Scarlett [14:01] lol [14:01] Hi all! [14:01] I'm going to eat and listen, then I'll chat [14:01] did he wash those mushrooms down with kool aid? [14:01] Say hi for me [14:02] We said hi TO you ;) [14:02] lol, rudeboy! [14:02] favouritism [14:02] brb... [14:02] hullo all [14:02] LONG show today (most likely) -- buckle up. [14:02] long show? [14:02] letcher series, do you invite all letchers,, can I come? [14:02] woohoo! [14:02] * Dustmundo has joined #nonprophets [14:02] yay, I've got a bottle of red and some chocolate. [14:02] lucky you [14:03] I have no BOOZE! [14:03] bummer [14:03] i've got a glass of red. no chocolate :-( [14:03] Got me some Cherry Garcia ice cream [14:03] "I have no booze and I muct scream" good book title [14:03] rudeboy, sorry! [14:03] It's dark and wintry here in the UK, so I feel like it's the best thing to do... [14:03] rude you have your ice coffee though [14:03] that's true [14:03] * NeutronJack has joined #nonprophets [14:03] neutron! [14:03] ted haggard and dr dino [14:03] wb Neutron [14:04] they are the joke [14:04] Hey, non-propheteers! [14:04] * stephen has joined #nonprophets [14:04] greetings [14:04] wow, the republicrats won the election again. [14:05] political parties have a monoploy on democracy [14:05] I have to say, this "only two parties which have a realistic chance of winning" thing is depressing. WHich group of tits do you want spending yout money for you? [14:05] the libertartians [14:05] just kidding [14:05] good point juice [14:06] It's barely better here in the UK. We have third party, but they don't get many seats. [14:06] As Bill Maher so eloquently put it: [14:06] "We don't have two parties in this country. We have identical cousins played by Patti Duke" [14:06] I used to think that which party won made a difference. I'm not so sure any more. [14:06] ChristOnIce: lol [14:07] Gore Vidal says, we have one party with two right wings - conservative and reactionary [14:07] he said that in 1968 [14:07] Gove Vidal will be on The Simpsons this Sunday [14:07] Gore [14:07] great! [14:07] I'm back [14:07] It was sad when he had to leave his villa in Italy. [14:07] the whole pointy ear, no tits thing eh? [14:08] as long as it takes....outstanding [14:08] Damn it! I'll be in class that day, I think [14:09] itunes tv shows [14:09] sweet [14:09] Ok. I've eaten [14:09] :) [14:09] now you can type? [14:09] Otherwise, I'll just claim that GWB is an atheist--simple! [14:09] Are they allowed to identify themselves? [14:09] exactly [14:10] Nope, that will be the week before... I can go [14:10] I haven't masntered eating AND typing, atxcats [14:10] multitasking [14:10] I went to India earlier this year. [14:10] It's weird. [14:10] And cool. [14:10] nice, juice [14:10] mailbag! [14:10] And hot [14:11] I guess by the conservative christian definition of an Atheist, there are quite a bit of Atheists in gov't [14:11] India, huh? [14:11] lots of people [14:11] why india? [14:11] * peter has joined #nonprophets [14:11] Well, Goa. I'm not sure it counts as "real" India ;) It's for sissy tourists like me. [14:11] Hi Peter [14:11] ah, [14:11] hi [14:12] My girlfriend wanted to do. It's not too expensive from the UK. [14:12] Long flight though, and I suffered badly cos I'm 6'2", mostly made of legs. [14:12] and they keep making the airplane seats closer & closer [14:12] yeah, that was a bad one too. [14:13] corrupted by Satan no less! [14:13] long flight. stopped for refueling once. umm, bahrain? something like that. Had to get off the plane, queue to be scanned, and then get back on the plane. daft. [14:13] someone proposed strapping airline passengers in a standing position -- they were serious [14:13] * mykel has joined #nonprophets [14:13] Great logic--the more evil they are, the more good they must be! [14:13] yesterday he was the pillar of society and Haggert was hosting Jesus Camp kids, today he' s a martyr [14:14] Um, hellooooo, bad things didn't HAPPEN TO HIM.... he DID BAD THINGS!!! [14:14] that makes no sense [14:14] There's an interesting series of radio interviews available on real format on the BBC website - John HUmphry's "search for God" program. [14:14] lol Kazim [14:14] it's classic denial [14:14] Christians can never do wrong - they ALWAYS have an out [14:14] but he was tempted, Kazim [14:14] THEY are never wrong [14:14] I agree...by the Christian logic, I'm fucking Gahndi [14:14] THey are never bad [14:14] $20 says Haggard will come back in a year or two claiming to have succesfully ungayed himself... he'll become a posterboy for the anti-gay movement [14:14] i've heard some of them, juice -- they are good [14:15] so, by their form of logic (cough cough) they think everyone else has to be bad [14:15] Oh sure, he'll be an ex-gay [14:15] I have a non-curable, chronic illness...I must be downright holy [14:15] $20 bucks could get you the same massage [14:15] And then he'll be an ex-ex-gay [14:15] The UK's chief Rabi was on it this week, and he gave the usual horrible excuses for suffering, "oooh, it's to teach us". *pit* [14:15] *spit* [14:15] lol [14:15] So, I'm holy too [14:15] so are my levis, damn it [14:15] damn moths [14:15] Sometimes I wish I was gay, just to annoy xtians more. [14:16] some of them were, they wer tourists lounging by the ocean [14:16] so they deserved to have a wave wash them ashore [14:16] oh brother... [14:16] Although I don't think I could cope with the prohibitive levels of hygene, and all that dancing. [14:16] Someone needs to make a flow-chart for this [14:16] Oh, that reminds me... I actually got the ex-ex-gay concept from Dan Savage, gay sex columnist for the Onion [14:16] http://www.avclub.com/content/node/55285 [14:16] Funny stuff this week [14:17] Funny how Satan always make you do stuff you like to do [14:17] scarlett: what shaped node would "buy drugs" be in? A triange? [14:17] satan is my friend [14:17] * mykel forgot to hit the breaks [14:17] here, boy. here satan [14:17] If he was really evil wouldn't he make you do stuff you didn't like? [14:17] good litle devil [14:17] * mykel is wet [14:17] sit, beg, roll over, give the preacher drugs [14:17] are those weird sound effects on the show? [14:17] library - I don't think I understand your question [14:17] Do you mind if people hav sex with monkeys? [14:18] * mykel has quit IRC (mykel) [14:18] That term does seem a bit hateful. [14:18] Until monkeys can clearly offer their consent...I'm pretty opposed to it [14:18] scarlett: in a flow chart - different operations have different shapes... [14:18] Oh...lol [14:18] yeah... triangular flow chart, I would assume [14:18] Butt Monkeys, what sub species is that? [14:18] D shape for decsiosn [14:19] * rudeboy reaches for his zoology text [14:19] no butt monkeys in here [14:19] no no diamond for decsison [14:19] * rudeboy looks under desk [14:19] not there either [14:19] * atxcats has quit IRC (atxcats) [14:19] * mykel has joined #nonprophets [14:19] Actually Matt, I think there is a problem with the argument that "animals can't give their consent." [14:19] Non-Prophets: good for you. I also think the concent thing should be the primary (only?) factor in deciding that sort of thing. Of course it gets difficult in the grey areas - how old does someone have to be to be able to give consent etc.. [14:19] * atxcats has joined #nonprophets [14:19] Namely, if monkeys have sex with each other, is it rape? [14:19] heh heh. Jeff said doody. [14:20] Is a butt monkey like an ass hat? [takes a drink just in case] [14:20] hmm. [14:20] Kazim: nice point. [14:20] Butt monkey and doody. What will Jeff say next? [14:20] Dogs rape human legs. I've seen it. It's not pretty. [14:20] I dunno. Kinda opalescent. [14:20] did the human leg give its consent? [14:20] rudeboy: I don't think so. [14:21] then it's leg rape [14:21] rudeboy: At least it regretted it after getting an icing. [14:21] lol [14:22] Matt and Jeff need to take it outside ... :) [14:22] It's not just that there's no evidience against it, it's also that there's no plausible mechanism for it... [14:22] Jeff is sounding like a christian by using that logic [14:22] Jeff did say he was in a bad mood [14:22] semantics [14:22] maybe we need to slip him some Midol [14:22] lol, scarlett [14:22] "No evidence for your position equates evidence for mine" is not a vaid position [14:22] Matt's just wrong. [14:23] There's plenty of evidence against life after death. [14:23] If you understand what life actually is, that is evidence against life after death. [14:23] Ginny thought this was a boring argument last week, hate to say... [14:23] Just so y'all know...when I die, I'm going to come back and haunt this chatroom. [14:23] noooo! [14:23] Good, provide evidence at last! [14:24] While I agree that no evidience is not evidence against, I think that's being WAY too kind to these people. They don't admit there's no evidience against other gods... you don't apply these standards to other things. It's a for of special pleading for supernatural claptrap. [14:24] that'll give you all some proof for or against [14:24] BRB -- iced coffee time [14:24] scarlett: lol [14:24] If you don't show up then we'll know there is no afterlife. [14:24] Mykel, the argument presupposes that the term "life" is used in a non-biological way [14:24] I'm going to start drinking now. Thanks Jeff & Matt [14:24] Hey, Mykel! I never see you on. [14:24] exactly, Russ [14:24] using the term life in a nonbiological way is fucking stupid [14:24] (Assuming you are my friend Mykel) [14:24] Indeed [14:24] I'll interupt the podcase, by focusing all my energy, and you'll hear, via EVP, "assssssshaaaaaaat" by playing the podcast backwards [14:24] actually this is Mykel and Paul both [14:24] There IS no money in my wallet. [14:25] I think "afterlife" would be a prefereable term [14:25] (and how many people are crazy enough to spell their name that way?) [14:25] Ok hi M&P [14:25] I thought some of it sounded like Paul, not Mykel [14:25] yeah, that part was me [14:25] The term "life after death" is self-contradictory since death is by definition the end of life. [14:25] If I have money in my wallet do I get to live forever? [14:25] Remind me who you are, atxcats? [14:25] susanbrown [14:26] It's a pointless argument since the proposition is meaningless. [14:26] oh yeah [14:26] ae you in class today, Kazim? [14:26] are [14:26] No, I'm doing term projects [14:26] libraryjuice: So, after I go outside, I can never go back inside, since they're by definition opposites? [14:26] You have life, then some non-life, then life again. Say. [14:26] Distributed algorithm for testing the primeness of Proth Numbers [14:26] woohoo! [14:26] that sounds like loads of fun, Kazim [14:26] all right. . . [14:26] What is the evidence for numbers less than 2 which are greater than 2? There's no evidence against... no, the proposition is self-contradictoryr. It's a silly debate. [14:27] good analogy [14:27] NeutronJack: The definition of being outside doesn't mean the "end" if insides. [14:27] Has anyone else turned Jeff and Matt into those teachers from Charlie Brown, yet? [14:27] I'm going to drink more!!!! [14:27] This is a silly debate. It's just a big pile of semantics [14:27] *ducks* [14:27] I hate it when people say "just semantics" [14:27] *throws cat fur at scarlett* [14:27] Well EXCUUUUUUUUSE me! :) [14:28] well, okay [14:28] * NeutronJack agrees. Words have meanings. If you don't believe that, stop using words. [14:28] * libraryjuice hurls up a furball. [14:28] Well, something can be semantics and still relevant [14:28] Same here, mykel. Semantics are important [14:28] But if something is "just semantics" then it is nothing else besides that. [14:28] *chokes on the hairball* [14:28] ...which is the case here [14:28] but that's like saying "there's nothing to this but meaning" [14:28] what does that mean "semantics". I only have a precise definition with respect to computer languages. [14:28] what else is an utterance supposed to have? [14:28] as opposed to syntax. [14:29] Don't get all semantic on me Paul (and I know it must be you) [14:29] Is anyone else finding this tedious? [14:29] yeah [14:29] yes, susan [14:29] Quite so. [14:29] I wish they'd say asshat. [14:29] lol atx [14:29] me too [14:29] If only Kazim was there to stop them :) [14:29] Russel, you need to have a remote electrical stimulator so that you can shock their ass when they get tedius [14:30] The proposition requires a definition. If the definition is meaningless, so is the proposition. [14:30] So define God. [14:30] that's a pretty picture, scarlett! [14:30] Maybe if I yell loud enough in chat they'll hear me, even though Matt is not reading the chat. [14:30] SHUT UP MATT! :O [14:30] could be fun [14:30] No it isn't, Matt. [14:30] scarlett: sort of a taser butt plug? [14:30] exactly [14:30] yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn [14:30] like a dog collor that they'd have to sit on, when they start going outside the point--- *SHOCK* [14:31] scarlett: I'm sure I've seen those on ebay, but I wouldn't want to buy a second hand one. Umm second ass one? I dunno. [14:31] lol [14:31] Like Cartman singing "O Holy Night" [14:31] Oh no...they've reduced the argument to letter representation. Venn diagrams can't be far behind [14:31] a exists... s exists, s exists.. gimme an h, gimme an a gimme a t, what do you get?! [14:31] asshat!!!! [14:31] woohoo! [14:32] Hallelujah! [14:32] lol - Oh God...congress takes less time to state a position, guys!!!! [14:32] * Kazim takes back premature hallelujah [14:32] Kazim: that's a hell of a spelling. [14:33] Uh oh...Jeff's gonna' start foamin' at the mouth soon [14:33] it's going to be fisticuffs, too [14:33] Um, that is in fact the *correct* spelling... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Hallelujah [14:33] FOR FUCK SAKE, I'M GOING TO HANG MYSELF IN A MINUTE IF THIS BLOODY DEBATE DOESN'T END! [14:33] lol. library [14:34] juice -- turn off the sound -- we'll tell you when they're done [14:34] BOYS!!! BREAK IT UP. [14:34] "Fair enough, Matt." When people start using what I call "direct address", calling each other by name, you know that they're getting angry. [14:34] atxcats: not a bad idea [14:34] Hey guys libraryjuice is going to provide positive evidence for life after death [14:34] Bring on the Venn diagrams. They look great in audio. [14:34] in fact, why don't all of us but one volunteer turn off the sound -- then the one listener will let us know when they are done [14:34] I'm going to have to go to that "safe place! inside myself again. [14:34] Get back to reader mail - you are sounding like apologists! [14:35] *place" [14:35] * mykel has quit IRC (mykel) [14:35] daa di dumm di dumm di diiii. [14:35] NOOOOO! [14:35] Yeah, and then people might start getting bored. [14:35] 30 minutes later [14:35] You don't HAVE to say that at all. [14:35] Oh my god, they killed Mykel!!! [14:35] You bastards! [14:35] lol [14:35] LOL, Kazim1 [14:35] lol. umm, who's Mykel? [14:36] Friend of ours [14:36] As is Paul, her husband. [14:36] Imagine the I"I told you so " conversation when THEY die! [14:36] Kazim...are there any phones in this building? [14:36] Yes [14:36] But I doubt they'd answer [14:36] call them [14:36] *rriiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng* [14:36] lol [14:36] Go and throw something at them. [14:36] Like a mallet. [14:36] I'm trying... [14:36] lol [14:36] i can see the foam [14:37] ha ha [14:37] lol- Jeff's getting all fired up [14:37] Just turn the lights off in the room and should "FIRE!" [14:37] you can hear the foam flying [14:37] *shout [14:37] It worked [14:37] it worked!?! [14:37] Well in a couple of minutes you'll probably hear Matt answer the phone. [14:37] lol [14:38] I hear it ringing [14:38] lol [14:38] ahhhhh....cool [14:38] ha ha! [14:38] I hear it ringing [14:38]