Session Start: Sat Feb 10 11:49:54 2007 Session Ident: #Nonprophets [11:49] * Now talking in #Nonprophets [11:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +ntr [11:49] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to the next LIVE Non-Prophets show, Saturday, February 10th, 2007! (POSSIBLY a show on the 23rd too!) at 3:00pm eastern (19:00 UTC) on http://www.nonprophetsradio.com, or visit the website for archived episodes. (Non-Prophets)' [11:49] * ChanServ sets mode: -ahoq Non-Prophets Non-Prophets Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [11:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [11:50] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! [11:50] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! (Non-Prophets)' [13:00] . [13:17] * ThinkFest has joined #Nonprophets [13:17] Good afternoon! [13:21] Hola [13:21] Mostly afk...getting stuff setup [13:22] Awrighty. I think da Jeff is flexing his hand and stuff. :) [13:23] * rudeboy has joined #Nonprophets [13:23] * rudeboy belches [13:23] damn.... backwash [13:27] 'allo! [13:27] Be there VERY soon. [13:28] * wwfsmd has joined #Nonprophets [13:28] * wwfsmd has quit IRC (wwfsmd) [13:30] * NPR_fanboy has joined #Nonprophets [13:30] * NPR_fanboy has quit IRC (NPR_fanboy) [13:31] jeeezuz fuckm NPR fanboy?!?!?! [13:31] what kind of messed up nick is that? [13:32] * NPR_fanboy has joined #Nonprophets [13:32] someone's puttin junk into the water again [13:33] Is the audio stream up yet? [13:33] hm let me check [13:33] yep it's up [13:33] just music right now [13:34] ya i cant even hear that [13:34] reload [13:34] or restart and reload, usually that clears up any minor glitches [13:35] i just had to tweak som mplayer settings [13:36] You sure that's the nick you want to use in here? [13:36] lol [13:36] i am one of your fanboys [13:36] but if you want me to change [13:37] * NPR_fanboy has quit IRC (Client exited) [13:37] We will not be held responsible for any mercilous teasing that might occur. :) [13:37] heh [13:37] 8) [13:39] * tux has joined #Nonprophets [13:39] Friar Tux? [13:40] no the linux mascot [13:40] ah [13:41] i need food [13:41] I need beer [13:41] Or I'll beerly make it through the day... [13:41] asshat [13:42] yes [13:42] * rudeboy races to the fridge for the prescribed beer [13:42] doctor said I should drink more [13:43] mmmm Milwaukee's BEst [13:44] Im only 16 [13:44] then it's coke for you kid [13:44] er.... coca cola [13:44] you guys are a bad example :) [13:45] lol [13:45] oh, the worst, or if I was a sausage, the wurst [13:45] * MikeHall has joined #Nonprophets [13:47] who saw the atheist bashing on cnn? [13:48] oh? when was this? [13:48] and who got bashed? [13:48] atheists in general [13:49] i think it was feb 1 cnn had a special about athiests being dicriminated against [13:49] It's been all over the net and we'll probably talk about it today - as we're pretty pissed [13:49] It was nothing new... the usual bollocks. "We're a Christian nation, etc" [13:49] I say we.. I'm in England. [13:49] And of course, no atheists to defend, right? [13:49] No [13:50] same old nonsense [13:50] well what made me mad was they said athiests should just shut up [13:50] One guy there saying "they have the right to their opinion" and everyone else saying "they need to shut up" [13:50] correct rude [13:50] And "freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion" [13:50] That's Bill O reilly's favorite phrase, "shut up" [13:51] oh, here we go again with that Newt Gingrich crap, "freedom of doesn;t mean freedom from...." what a load [13:51] but i saw the clip on youtube and it has made me change my forensics speech to talk about just that [13:52] can you link that clip? [13:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPHnXrU5JzU [13:54] thanks [13:55] what a fucking load of propaganda [13:55] Yes - the usual crap [13:55] * NeutronJack has joined #Nonprophets [13:55] NJ! [13:55] Lovely to see you, rudeboy! [13:56] they are all saying "we're a xtian country" that's fucking stupid' [13:56] oh, good, they have no PR rep or marketing [13:56] oh, we're just crying "wolf" [13:56] is the sound out or is it my computer again? [13:57] and "we" took prayer out of school [13:57] no, stream is up but no sound [13:57] ok i was worried [13:57] mplayer is a piece of junk [13:58] Tsk. And I hurried home from the store to listen.. and there is no sound hehe [13:58] her statistics are completely wrong [13:58] guys come on we cant infringe upon there "right" to make us do as they say [13:58] I've only ever listened via the podcast before, this is my first time listening live [13:58] same [13:58] welcome aboard [13:58] the fun starts in about 4 minutes [13:58] * NeutronJack is shivering with antici ... [13:59] pation! [13:59] that's just the malaria talking, NJ [13:59] i need to get my lines of coke set up incase they say ass hat [13:59] lol [13:59] We'll be starting the show a bit late...stay tuned. [13:59] don't forget the straws [13:59] We guessed :-) [13:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Prophets_Radio#Drinking_Game [13:59] (we're waiting on one fairly important individual) [13:59] the engineer? [13:59] There are no important individuals in this show! [14:00] That'd be pretty impossible [14:00] Doctor Who? [14:00] He's fairly important. [14:00] <---engineer. We do the show at my place and we wouldn't be chatting if I wasn't here. :) [14:00] Seven of Nine? [14:02] * Godless_Guitarist has joined #Nonprophets [14:02] hey, I'm a fucking genius, whadda ya want? [14:02] My IQ fluctuates with my consumption of alcohol [14:04] * slyprimate has joined #Nonprophets [14:04] ok [14:04] I wonder what the collective noun for a group of atheists would be... [14:05] don't ask those asshats on that CNN clip [14:05] * hey has joined #Nonprophets [14:05] We're hardly a herd. [14:05] I don;t think we're a gaggle either [14:05] A doubt of atheists? [14:05] clutch? [14:05] A mind of atheists? [14:05] * Victor has joined #Nonprophets [14:05] * hey has quit IRC (hey) [14:05] athiests tend to think for themselves so it would be a school (like in fish) because we have no true leader [14:06] * wwfsmd has joined #Nonprophets [14:06] a school of atheists sounds like a secular education facility though [14:06] but a graduate level of school [14:06] Where we are indoctrinated with atheist dogma! [14:06] or, if feline, catma [14:06] i just cant win [14:06] * Judas has joined #Nonprophets [14:07] A freethought of atheists? [14:07] I like that [14:07] it has a ring to it [14:07] here we go [14:07] Show! [14:07] hurray [14:08] * NeutronJack heard "doughnuts"! [14:08] * slyprimate has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [14:08] * tux is a computer geek [14:08] mouthfull of donuts? [14:08] hit that music cue [14:08] He was killed with a doughnut! [14:08] D'oh!! [14:08] * arensb has joined #Nonprophets [14:08] a deer,m a female deer [14:08] You see - you just don't get this kind of professionalism when you listen to the podcast hehe [14:09] the suspence adds to it all [14:09] I profess that may be true [14:09] but it adds to the informality [14:09] * NeutronJack dances [14:09] ah, never mind.... [14:10] * slyprimate has joined #Nonprophets [14:10] * tux is a god [14:10] * zippyapparition has joined #Nonprophets [14:10] That'll make me an a-tux-ist then [14:10] Most gods have worshippers other than themselves. [14:11] ya you cant prove im not a god [14:11] Proof by obviousness. [14:11] well, gawd damn it [14:11] jkjki [14:11] there, do your thing [14:12] forces of reality? [14:12] lol [14:12] Hooray! [14:12] brute? [14:12] o man [14:12] * Acer800 has joined #Nonprophets [14:12] anna nicole, there's a pair [14:12] i like debates [14:12] a dead pair [14:12] lol [14:12] pear [14:13] pears pural [14:13] jeeez, I need more beer [14:13] I thnk i hate you [14:13] rumour has it one of her breasts came from an ahteist [14:13] mmm mexican food.... [14:13] damn it now I'm hungry and thirsty too [14:13] * NeutronJack participates. [14:13] heh [14:13] shut up and drink your beer [14:13] darwin day [14:14] Some of you will say "and that's different from normal, how?" - but I'll probably be less active in chat than normal. Ya never know. If you need our attention for something - make it obvious. :) [14:14] woot! [14:14] I like that [14:15] who thinks i could talk my girlfriend into darwin day over v-day? [14:15] Best of luck with that. [14:16] try lots of chocolates [14:16] ill still get her candy and flowers but just 2 days early [14:17] * NeutronJack hasn't actually been "run out of a town". [14:17] I prefer Steak and Blow Job Day, myself. [14:17] lol [14:17] thats not gona happen [14:17] You don't like blow jobs? [14:17] Steak and blow job day, which day is that? [14:18] One month after Valentine's Day. [14:18] We vegetarians only celebrate half of that. [14:18] im 16 [14:18] veg-e-blow? [14:18] keep it clean [14:19] the clip at You Tube pretty much is self explanatory [14:19] hehe I love asking people if they have stopped beating their wife [14:19] They had NO intention of making that commentary fair to atheists [14:19] * ThinkFestMobile has joined #Nonprophets [14:19] Of course not, why would they? [14:20] g'day. [14:20] They hate atheists because we exist. [14:20] As far as they are concerned, it's like making a fair commentary on the Nazis [14:20] no they didnt i think they are going after the fox news people [14:21] debbie Schlussel cant use a search engine [14:21] It was SET UP [14:21] * GMP has joined #Nonprophets [14:21] she claims that there are no clips of the show on the net [14:21] Oh, and she called PZ Myers a "higher power" [14:21] I guess that makes me a theist, since I believe that PZ exists. [14:22] huh? [14:22] scienceblogs.com/pharyngula [14:22] * Useless has joined #Nonprophets [14:22] gee, snide little piece of shit is what she is, more so than the comment [14:22] "journalist" [14:23] MY ASS [14:23] she's an asshat [14:23] "I disagree with you." "That's HATE MAIL!!!" [14:23] huh? [14:23] muslim fundamentalists? [14:23] jeezuz, they let a nutcase like her on? [14:23] Yeah, she really wrote that. [14:23] europe is not becoming muslim [14:23] Is it fuck, [14:23] debbieschlussel.com check it out [14:23] Atheism--the gateway belief system. [14:24] lol [14:24] what a fucking load of bullshit [14:24] I'm in the UK - barely any muslims here [14:24] There _is_ an increase in muslims in Europe, but it has everything to do with immigration from Muslim countries. [14:24] yeah [14:24] but hardly "becoming" [14:24] heh [14:25] 2.7% Muslim population here [14:25] Where's here? [14:25] UK [14:26] * arensb bows down to PZ Myers. [14:26] * ThinkFestMobile has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [14:27] she's beyond a liar [14:27] islamic imposition? How SO? [14:27] Out of interest, 23.1% of people in the UK are atheist. [14:27] what the frig does that mean? [14:27] Look at Charles Darwin--he DIED! [14:27] :-) [14:27] * ThinkFest3 has joined #Nonprophets [14:27] heh [14:28] No! [14:28] More swearing! [14:28] They just show strong emotion [14:28] It's big and clever! [14:28] :-) [14:28] let's be fair while the other side continues to lie, cheat, propagandize... [14:29] there waqs nothing FAIR about that segment [14:29] Exactly, rudeboy. We're better than they are. [14:29] well, I know I am [14:29] I'd have come on with a beer in hand and a taco and yelled at the bitch, but that's just me [14:29] I'd eat half the taco and throw the other half at the bitch [14:29] they were in mississippi wernt they? [14:30] and chug the beer [14:30] the family that was ran out of time [14:30] How does she know it's atheism, and not Jewish fathers, that turns people into Muslim jihadists? [14:30] town* [14:30] * NeutronJack blames fluoridation. [14:31] * rudeboy blames air pollution [14:31] * arensb protects his precious bodily fluids. [14:31] because "thoughs who stand for nothing will fall for anything" [14:31] taints the precious bodily fluids [14:32] BRB [14:32] * arensb would love to see Dennett on CNN. [14:32] Dennett would be cool. :) [14:33] * arensb plugs Julia Sweeney's "Letting Go of God" [14:34] * NeutronJack has FOND memories of Anna Nichole. [14:35] what one was it? [14:36] I have two fond mamories of her... [14:36] * scarlett75 has joined #Nonprophets [14:36] BRB laundry time [14:36] I have absolutely no memories of her. [14:36] ah yes I remember them well [14:36] he said he had seen the stats - he just didn't believe them [14:37] hello [14:37] hi [14:37] hey scarlett [14:37] Gays and Jews have raised people's consciousness to the point where it's not socially acceptable to be homophobic or antisemitic in public. But it's still not considered impolite to bash atheists. [14:38] ..."girls of Christian parents" :-) [14:38] what is wrong with bashing atheists? [14:38] It's dumb. [14:38] Um... it's bigotry?> [14:39] I bash religions [14:39] I hope that was a rhetorical question Judas [14:39] atheism isn't a religion [14:39] I just don't want the laws to be biased toward anyone particular group [14:39] I know that [14:40] I couldn't care less what christians think of me [14:40] they are welcome to their opinion [14:40] * GMP has left #Nonprophets [14:40] what about a boss? [14:40] * GMP has joined #Nonprophets [14:40] First off, bashing 'the ideas' is different from bashing 'the people'. I bash goofy-ass beliefs. I don't bash Catholic people, Baptist people, etc. unless they specifically warrant it as individuals and I bash on what they've actually said and done as individuals. [14:40] Address the issue, not the person. [14:40] I agree with that [14:41] Bash 'atheism' all you like. That's debate. Bashing atheists is bigotry. [14:41] Call me isolated but I thought a Debbie Schlussel was some kinda gas station junk food sweet snack. [14:41] never said anything bad about an individual christian? [14:41] There, that's bashin' on 'an individual'. [14:43] i have never said anything bad about a chistion because they are a cristion [14:43] I have and do all the time [14:44] then you are also a bigot [14:44] Well then that makes you a bigot too, surely? [14:44] Pastor William? [14:44] Pedo William, yeah. [14:45] no i don't judge all christians the same [14:45] Y'know, if they weren't so stuck up on sex and got laid once in a while, maybe they wouldn't get into pedophilia and whatnot. [14:46] lol [14:46] oh brother [14:46] I think their beliefs are wrong and I have an idea that some idividuals becasue of the way they act deserve to be verbally bashed [14:47] he wants to win [14:47] Bashing someone because of the way they act is okay [14:47] they are free to have the same opinion of me [14:47] YOU GUYS, I DON'T MIND IF YOU TALK ABOUT IT. [14:47] Bashing someone because they are a Christian is wrong. [14:47] Judas, if you want to bash people or groups because of what they do or say or believe, that's fine. The problem is prejudice == pre-judgment. [14:47] IF THAT HELPS YOU [14:47] they want to win -- in any way and at any cost. that's why they lie, cheat, make shit up etc.' [14:47] Hi, scarlette. Talk about what...? You lost me. [14:48] Jeff when your foot is not just in your mouth but almost coming out your ass it is time to stop pushing it in farther [14:48] Prejudice is bad. Get to know people and hate them on an individual basis. [14:49] JEFF _ PLEASE MOVE ON AND STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS [14:49] * Victor has quit IRC (Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]) [14:49] This is getting dull. [14:49] Ditto. [14:49] well you should tell the guys on the show to stop saying "christians" do do this and that and adress it to an individual [14:49] which would be ridiculous by the way [14:49] This is the law of the excluded middle, surely? [14:49] When they say "Christians do this," they're reporting *facts*. Not imagined prejudices. [14:50] I excluded my middle, I wouldn't be able to digest [14:50] making genERALIZATIONS IS WHAT WE DO HERE ALL THE TIME SURELY? [14:50] soory caps locked [14:50] Matt, Russell, Dennis - PLEASE GAG JEFF [14:51] This 'dichotomy' crap is going on and on and on and isn't going anywhere. [14:51] The three possibilities are "yes, I believe that", "no, I don't believe that", and "I don't know". [14:51] * slyprimate has left #Nonprophets [14:51] Maybe Jeff should get some formal training in logic [14:52] We're moving on :) [14:52] good [14:52] IT IS C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:52] thanks. [14:52] I can recommend Introducing Logic by Dan Cryan [14:52] Jeff's point specifically is that there are situations in which there is a legitimate dichotomy, and he was backing off from the position in which he was being accused of the opposite of his position because in that case, he decided later, they were *right*. Anyways... [14:52] I think I will go read Debbie Sclussel [14:53] GMP: If you don't believe in an afterlife, save your precious life-seconds for something else. [14:54] I've managed to move my mom away from Deepak Chopra and Rush Limbaugh, and toward Daniel Dennett. [14:54] I was almost at the point than some of my precious life seconds would be better spent with the dumb blonde than with Jeff [14:54] Both my parents are atheist. And I got them both the God Delusion for Christmas hehe [14:54] lol [14:54] eh? she's a dead dumb blonde [14:55] schools come in flavors? [14:55] i got the school library to buy the book the god delusion [14:55] huh [14:55] arensb - get her a copy of the Julia Sweeney CD "Letting Go of God" - i gave 8 copies to people as xmas presents [14:55] good for you, tux [14:55] I'm looking at setting up a British atheist podcast at the moment [14:55] It's already lying by the door for the next time I go over to see $PARENTS. [14:55] i think im the only one who has checked it out though [14:55] Debbie Schlussel is a dumb blonde - typical Ann COulter right wing look alike [14:56] ah, that dumb blonde [14:56] so many dumb blondes [14:56] She's also a troll? [14:56] she's ann coulter with more meat on the skeleton [14:56] Hellbound Alleee is great - just for the music [14:56] ... and a troll [14:57] Somebody please write a book, "Okay, You're Over The God Crap. These Are Your Rewards" or "Ethical Stuff Atheists Do When Theists Aren't Wasting Their Time" ? [14:57] Hellbound Ali G? [14:57] http://www.hellboundalleee.com/ [14:57] "... wasting their time worrying about what atheists are doing." [14:58] Hurray! [14:58] * tux has quit IRC (tux) [14:58] you need to finish the sentence [14:58] * Dave63 has joined #Nonprophets [14:58] * tux has joined #Nonprophets [14:59] UK has state funded religious schools - Islam, Orthodix Judaism, etc - watch Dawkins series :The Root of all Evil" [14:59] Yeah, but the C of E is so boring, it turns people away from religioin. [15:00] I know - I went to a state funded Catholic School [15:00] So it leaves the fanatics as the only religious people in the coountry [15:00] The US has *fun* religions. With dancing and water slides and stuff. [15:00] and snakes and loud organs and pedo priests [15:00] Plus, they sent us all the religious nuts on the Mayflower. [15:00] "Cake or death?" [15:00] They cut themselves off from the rest of society - no one knows what is going on in those community [15:01] * arensb was just thinking of Eddie Izzard. [15:01] lol [15:01] what, did Izzard's cross dressing offend someone? [15:01] I think 'the fanatics' would be around 45% of the U.S., not some obscure minority. [15:01] We got into this national mess by assuming the crazies were rare. [15:01] * Mark has joined #Nonprophets [15:01] Oh, and Jeff's Scottish accent is terrible. [15:02] they are a minority, a vocal and well connected minority [15:02] No really, very very bad. [15:02] I missed an accent? An opportunity to drink!? [15:02] Jeff's Scottish accent is very very very bad [15:02] (Had a phone call). [15:02] Woot! That's me! [15:02] he forgot to drink enough scotch, is all. [15:03] But he thinks its great [15:03] hence the need for scotch [15:03] thats all that counts [15:04] skatje.com is an example of someone raised in an atheist household. [15:05] She's younger than you'd think, from reading her. [15:06] * arensb agrees wholeheartedly with Matt. [15:06] arensb....Skatje is great [15:06] Don't teach kids the "answers". Teach them how to find the answers. [15:07] Frank Zappa refused to raise his kids in any religion - he thought that was a decision they had to make for themselves [15:07] We WILL be running over today - in order to get the free will stuff in. :) [15:07] Haggard! [15:07] HAGGARD! [15:07] Cool, since I only just got here! [15:07] Teach them how to find the answers by underlining freethought in the dictionary! [15:07] Ted "Straight Boy" Haggard! [15:07] Yup. If you don't trust your kids to Do the Right Thing, you fail as a parent. [15:07] We're really talking about two kinds of people referred to by the same word. There's atheists who know nothing of concepts like critical thinking or comparative religions, and then there's atheists with more connection to the philosphies that show why it's sensible, and teach how to reason more effectively. [15:08] i too am 100% heterosexual [15:08] Haggard beat teh gay [15:08] "Church Offers Homosexual New Life In Closet" -- the Onion [15:08] lol [15:08] * tux has quit IRC (tux) [15:08] actually ,aybe only 99.52% or sp [15:08] * NeutronJack notes that Betty Boop does NOT count as a foreign accent for drinking game purposes. [15:08] fence sitting GMP [15:08] lol [15:08] Jed Smock? [15:08] * tux has joined #Nonprophets [15:08] smock smock smock [15:09] Brother Jed? [15:09] shmuck [15:09] at my age I just hope I can get it up without the use of pharmaceuticals [15:09] Jeeez, I missed out on all the fun when I was in college... oh so may years ago [15:09] the lord love that .48% of you [15:09] I hear ya on that one mate [15:09] god bless viagra [15:10] Students on campus also support smashing beercans on one's forehead. ;) [15:10] lol [15:10] I had one jeezuz freak try to run his number on me, but I slammed him to the curb [15:10] Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed! [15:10] Sounds like Tom Short, the campus preacher who pushed me to realize I was an atheist. [15:10] This is the URL for my (Russell's) play: http://apollowebworks.com/russell/samples/joel.html [15:10] PUT YOUR HAND ON THE RADIO, PUT YOUR FEET IN THE BATHTUB, FEEL THOSE DIVINE JUICES!!! [15:10] This is not assigned reading :) [15:10] huh? [15:11] for those too young - Fireside Theater reference [15:11]