Session Start: Sat Jan 05 13:19:28 2008 Session Ident: #nonprophets [13:19] * Now talking in #nonprophets [13:19] * Topic is 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information!' [13:19] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat Dec 15 12:13:07 [13:19] * ChanServ sets mode: +oq Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [13:19] anyone here? [13:19] Yes [13:19] hello [13:19] just about [13:20] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! [13:20] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern (19:00 UTC)! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! (Non-Prophets)' [13:20] yall should use the Portal End Credits song as the intro [13:22] That's on the short list :) [13:22] this was a triumph [13:25] i had a nightmare about a banana last night [13:27] of course it wasnt a well made banana [13:27] so i guess it wasn't much of a threat [13:27] * Tat has joined #nonprophets [13:33] that counting's coming on a treat [13:34] Plus...it's educational! [13:34] Yup [13:34] Mic checks [13:36] * Jamie has joined #nonprophets [13:37] * Jamie is now known as Guest8776741 [13:38] hello all [13:39] Welcome to a New Year - Season 7 of The Non-Prophets [13:39] * Guest8776741 has left #nonprophets [13:39] YEA! [13:39] how many eps does that equate to? [13:39] like 25 /year [13:39] ? [13:40] Yeah. There abouts. [13:40] has episode 150 been reached? [13:40] We did 25 last year...more than any other [13:40] There's no way we've hit 150 yet [13:41] its gatta be this year though [13:41] Maybe...there were a few "extended breaks" during some of the early seasons [13:41] this was a triumph [13:41] i'm making a note here: huge success [13:42] * San has joined #nonprophets [13:43] its hard to overstate my satisfaction [13:43] Non Prophets Radio...... we do what we must because they should [13:43] we* [13:43] Howdy. I can't read the whole web address to listen live...can someone paste it here? [13:44] http://nonprophets.gotdns.org:8000/listen.pls [13:44] * San has quit IRC (San) [13:44] * MorseCode has joined #nonprophets [13:44] * SanDiego has joined #nonprophets [13:44] so when "Non-Prophets" types something here, is that Matt, or Denis, or either? [13:45] What's up? They start early today? [13:45] no [13:45] not started yet [13:45] Ah. Usually they don't even have the link up by this time. And by usually, I mean the one other time I've been here, lol [13:45] i have it bookmarked [13:46] Sorry, that link is acting funny for me, why does it want me to save it as a file? [13:46] do you have itunes or winamp? [13:46] I think when someone types here, it's Matt. After all, they are broadcasting from Dilahunty Studios [13:46] i think window media player as well works [13:46] I have iTunes...and media player [13:47] save the file and open it using itunes [13:47] its a radio link file [13:47] ish [13:48] they arnt speaking now, but you'll know when they start [13:48] they start at 2pm central i believe [13:48] or sometime in that range [13:48] < my frozen mug has sprung a leak all over my lap [13:49] Or you've soiled yourself and are using that as a cover [13:49] 3Hehe [13:49] Thanks much. I think I got it. We'll find out when they start. [13:49] frozen mugs only last so long [13:50] especialy when they were like $3 at target [13:50] where are you guys from? [13:50] <--- San Diego [13:51] makes sense [13:51] And I live and breath that Philadelphia freedom. [13:51] mmmm [13:51] I thought I'd go with an obvious nickname [13:51] mine is my name backwards [13:51] i live in jacskonville fl [13:52] I've been trying to catch up on the last year of Atheist Experience Podcasts. This is my first time listening to the non-prophets [13:52] You the guy who keeps calling into the Experience long distance? [13:52] i called once [13:52] Gotcha [13:53] there were a coulple others who matt pointed out were long distance [13:53] I'm in Scotland [13:53] wow [13:53] Neat [13:53] What time is it there? [13:53] its like 7:50pm there right? [13:53] Nearly 8 [13:53] yeah [13:54] cool [13:54] cold? [13:54] Very! [13:54] Foggy? [13:54] It's noon here. [13:54] nah - its clear, that's why its so cold [13:54] * witchbaby has joined #nonprophets [13:54] It's a witch! Burn herrrrr! [13:54] i've never caught the begining of the show here because i get the time zone stuff mixed up [13:54] Er, I mean, hi. [13:55] hi, thats actually my gf's name :P [13:55] i guess she didnt log out [13:55] what nationality is tat? [13:55] that* [13:55] surely we should do some tests to make sure shes a witch before we burn her [13:55] does she float? [13:55] She turned me into a newt! [13:55] ...I got better... [13:55] lol [13:55] Ah...the memories [13:55] if any of the non prophets hosts are on here, i sent a letter earlier today - hope you read it, its a good story, from "corey" [13:55] brb [13:56] we chased that witch outta town [13:56] I'd like to take this time to blatantly promote my youtube channel. ;) [13:56] link? [13:56] Kidding...of course if anyone wants it, I'll gladly give it out, lol [13:57] * gmp has joined #nonprophets [13:57] www.youtube.com/morsec0de [13:57] I feel like such a schill...oh well [13:57] whats your schtick? [13:57] I just respond, sometimes politics, sometimes religion...and i do a silly little 'show' called "Daily Dogma" [13:58] * Zadius has joined #nonprophets [13:59] i don't think you're fat [13:59] * jbaus has joined #nonprophets [14:00] hello zadius and jbaus [14:00] haha, thanks [14:00] hello [14:00] * NeutronJack has joined #nonprophets [14:00] hey [14:00] hello [14:00] Mahalo everybody. [14:00] hello NJack [14:01] Afternoon, fellow infidels! [14:01] Afternoon! [14:01] has anyone here ever been on the chatroom located on the richard dawkins website? [14:02] I'm an apostate, not an infidel, but hi Neutron! [14:02] * MJ has joined #nonprophets [14:02] hi MJ [14:02] Good to have you here anyway, MorseCode. :-) [14:02] hey [14:03] i dont recognise anyone's name from the ironchariots forum [14:03] May as well upgrade Winamp while I'm waiting ... [14:03] for reference, if anyone saw the Atheist Experience with the caller from Canada (about a month ago), thats me [14:03] * Tat is now known as Tatarize [14:04] Starting late - we don't want to set any expectations of "on time" to start off the year [14:04] i was the one from florida [14:04] * Tatarize peers about. [14:04] lol [14:04] nice [14:04] That would be silly [14:04] Certainly shouldn't change the winning combo you guys have, Matt. ;) [14:04] its not like you're getting paid [14:04] even though you should be [14:05] Matt, I sent you an email earlier today, a good sad christmas story - hope you got it [14:05] That's because we're all gods, and so it's hard to be around those scary iron chariots. [14:05] * NeutronJack hears sound! [14:05] how do you type like that [14:05] hello Dennis! [14:05] Heh, I was here for the mic check... [14:05] Whoa, that was weird [14:05] Well, choppy sound. [14:05] At least Denis is back [14:06] * NeutronJack hears silence. [14:06] I heard something about Iowa and then nothing...was that it? he he he [14:06] Pretty sure I got that e-mail...was it about a congregation full of asshats? [14:06] * jbaus has left #nonprophets [14:06] * EebamXela wants to type the way NJ types [14:06] ok cool [14:06] * astrosteed has joined #nonprophets [14:06] yes, matt [14:06] * EebamXela figured it out [14:06] * jbaus has joined #nonprophets [14:06] YEah, Iowa caucus... pop dead [14:06] Ok...I may read that today if we get time - and you don't mind [14:07] * NeutronJack thought EebamXela was admiring his typing speed. :-( [14:07] Does anyone else think Denis sounds like Martin Mull? [14:07] sure [14:07] is Jeff or Russel there today? [14:07] Exactly. Like him. I don't know who he is... but I hear nothing right now. [14:07] * jer has joined #nonprophets [14:07] how do you type in red letters? [14:08] * fancy-pants has joined #nonprophets [14:08] * MorseCode laughs out loud [14:08] weird, I heard about 2 seconds of dennis, then nothing [14:08] As did the rest of us [14:08] it was a sound check probably [14:08] Probably a mic check [14:08] What IRC client are you using [14:08] Ooo, music [14:08] cool [14:08] There we go [14:08] http://nonprophets.gotdns.org:8000/listen.pls [14:08] * NeutronJack dances. [14:08] * EebamXela dances too [14:08] * MorseCode does a thrusty hip action [14:08] * NeutronJack backs off. [14:09] * EebamXela laughs out loud. [14:09] Hahah [14:09] * Tatarize tries to dance. Fails horrifically. [14:09] * Tatarize breaks hip. [14:09] * fancy-pants has quit IRC (fancy-pants) [14:09] * EebamXela points and laughs. [14:09] oh yeah shilling [14:09] Fallacy of authority! Woooo! [14:09] hahaha [14:09] i forgot about shiling [14:09] sorry shilling [14:10] Im not a fan of names related to currency [14:11] Ever wonder what sort of torture happens to people who are into S&M? I mean, they'd like normal hell, wouldn't they? [14:11] BLURT! [14:11] blurt [14:11] * NeutronJack blurts! [14:11] Blurt! [14:11] Blight! [14:11] whoa! [14:11] Yeehaw! Smite! [14:11] getting started ;) [14:11] * Tatarize riots. [14:12] can't we all just get along? or a bong? [14:12] lol [14:12] * gmp has quit IRC (gmp) [14:12] * EebamXela wants a bong [14:12] "birth" [14:12] preparing to shun matt... [14:12] and to sell all yo shit [14:12] Dionysus? [14:12] * NeutronJack refuses to be fooled by this one. [14:12] Frosty! [14:12] Whoooo! [14:13] lol [14:13] Someone needs to crucify that frosty bastard. [14:13] Magic theory. [14:13] the magician! [14:13] * Tatarize rolls eyes. [14:13] Isn't it 20:00 UTC? [14:13] every time Frosty loses his hat, and puts it back on, he's BORN AGAIN [14:13] Magic Man done it! [14:13] He was witnessed by some cop. [14:13] Mike Huckabee is courting the Frosty vote [14:13] Though, he might be from July... in the souther hemisphere. [14:14] Frosty the Snow Man...as performed by Iron Maiden [14:14] victory for the secular left! [14:14] I said Happy Festivus to all [14:14] I usually say "thanks" and leave it at that. [14:14] I told my mom I was an atheist at Christmas...what a great present is that, eh? [14:14] not one person said merry xmas to me [14:14] I attack them like the rabid atheist we all are [14:15] i say "or else what?" [14:15] How did that go over? [14:15] Nice work, MorseCode. How'd that work out? [14:15] Nice reply, eebam [14:15] She was relieved I wasn't a muslim, as I had spent the weekend defending Obama, who she happens to think is a terrorist [14:15] Morse, was that like in a card [14:15] Haha, no. [14:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM6BEGZ-spI - any of you see the 'atheist kid tells his mom' video? [14:15] I made my own, hehe. [14:16] ive seen it [14:16] him haw [14:16] And I'm 24, so it's not like she can say anything to me about it [14:16] but i dont know if i wanna call "shennanigans" on it [14:16] MorseCode: After a few years, it'll become a non-issue. [14:16] animals have the right to be eaten and taste good [14:16] the interest of avoiding suffering should be avoided? [14:17] Oh, it already is. She probably just thinks its a phase [14:17] I think monkies should have equal rights, by the way, hehe [14:17] like being gay [14:17] gayness=atheism [14:17] Gee, could we have more of the fallacy of black & white thinking? "They're not full citizens, so they are NOTHING!" [14:17] * Lovedeity has joined #nonprophets [14:17] I went hunting over my vacation. It was quite fun. [14:18] my grandmother took me to bingo... it was fun [14:18] Hah, mine did too! [14:18] Animals have rights... but only the charismatic megafauna. [14:18] If it's cute... it's on the level with humans. [14:19] Cows, carrots, and humans all share DNA... [14:19] * astrosteed has quit IRC (astrosteed) [14:19] make them take the SAT [14:19] Mm, huamn [14:19] Remember, kids, if you lose your ability to speak, you have no rights. [14:20] * Canadian_hoser has joined #nonprophets [14:20] the head of peta is an atheist [14:20] * astrosteed has joined #nonprophets [14:20] and a psycho [14:20] * Tatarize signs don't eat me in sign language. [14:20] Well, those things aren't mutually exclusive [14:20] PETA on southpark was hilarious [14:20] no theyre not [14:20] Kill meeeeee..... [14:21] raelians = whackjobs [14:21] * Canadian_hoser has quit IRC [14:21] what were the choices? [14:21] a baby and a tiger cub? [14:21] Tiger cub or baby. [14:22] is it an ugly baby [14:22] I say let the baby and the tiger fight it out [14:22] cuz tiger cubs are soo cute [14:22] It's just a normal baby. [14:22] what about poached eggs? [14:22] On par with ninja's vs. pirates, it's tiger cubs vs. babies! [14:23] DEFINE THE WORD [14:24] "HUMANE" [14:24] yes completely irrational [14:24] what about the suffering of the carrots and potatoes? [14:25] For every argument that we hear about food animals, let's make the same argument about black people in 1850 or so. [14:25] "We've given them a good life, here on the plantation. They're fed." [14:25] ...are you a vegan, Jack? [14:25] Ovo-lacto vegetarian. [14:25] it'd be like that movie battle royale [14:25] Ah. [14:25] Sorry, I'm an evil meat eater. [14:26] What a shock. :-) [14:26] http://atheistcookbook.wordpress.com/ [14:26] I say it's only fair. Because if a cow could eat you, it would. And it wouldn't care how bad the truck drive over was either. Just "Moo...chomp". [14:26] http://www.jonco48.com/blog/baby_20burger.jpg [14:26] ;) [14:26] Matt, were you a snake handler? [14:27] PETA has some crazy ideas. I'm always surprised how much sympathy people can feel toward animals suffering while lacking sympathy for the suffering of humans. [14:27] a chupakabra? [14:27] PETA: People for the Eating and Torturing of Animals, hehe [14:28] Argument by analogy: If we encountered beings as far above us as we are above cows, how would we want to be treated? [14:28] You've got to pick your fights. We can't expect any given organization to fight for EVERY species that's out there. [14:28] Why not? Wouldn't that be more consistent? [14:28] Yes, but there are only so many hours in the day. You can't do everything. [14:29] Yes you can! You're Neutron Jack! You can do everything!!!!!! [14:29] ;-) [14:29] * wolfrock has joined #nonprophets [14:29] I'm just saying that people seem to be more traumatized by a dog stuck in a well than the systematic genocide of 100,000 of people [14:30] Well, beyond a certain number, genocides become hard to comprehend. [14:31] * stephen has joined #nonprophets [14:31] you still can't buy beer here in town before noon on sunday [14:32] when i moved here i went to wal-mart for supplies and tried to pick up beer, they wouldn't let me [14:32] That's amazing [14:32] * MJ has quit IRC (MJ) [14:32] several towns around here are like that too. No alchohol sales on Sundays [14:33] States limit sales all the time. For example, California has stricter laws about what kind of cars you can sell. [14:33] One more reason why living in California isn't so crazy. [14:34] I'm just saying that this is well within the rights of states. If all the states were the same, why have states? [14:34] Yeah but exhaust emission restrictions are not based on religion. [14:34] Yes, but Cali has enivironmental reasons for stricter emission regualtions [14:35] SanDiago: Agreed--that's a valid reason to object. [14:35] Yes we do, but their not that way because of religion. [14:36] They haven't said asshat yet...when can we drink!? [14:36] I haven't heard a foreign accent, either. [14:38] I used to play jazz in clubs and didn't drink. Getting home afterwards was always funny and scary. [14:38] * Canadian_hoser has joined #nonprophets [14:39] missing the show thanks to Win-dos Xtra Problems [14:39] Funny [14:40] This coming from a group with a Ph in their name! [14:40] Well, "ph". [14:40] good point [14:40] That show would be freaking awesome. You break the law of god, you get kicked out of the house, hehe [14:41] Ann Coulter? [14:41] you mean skeletor? [14:42] No amount of "hotness" can make up for stupid [14:45] * NeutronJack was hoping for a Pope accent. [14:45] "ARKangel"! [14:45] Except these are exocists designed to remove Priests from alter boys. [14:45] hahaha [14:46] Are the hosts watching our chat? I thought they'd comment to the peanut gallery by now. [14:46] Yes, "Mr. Christopher", he's called, now. [14:46] st. hubbins is the patron saint of quality footware [14:47] whaaa? havn't heard of that one [14:47] they said so on the spinal tap movie [14:48] Love that crack reporting from the Non Prophets. [14:48] hi [14:51] Asshats! [14:51] asshat [14:51] * NeutronJack drinks! [14:51] ding ding ding [14:52] did he become an atheist? [14:52] i wouldnt say 'atheist' - its more like whatshisface from "Signs" [14:52] Interesting point of view--he didn't take his practice seriously. [14:52] doctors go against Gods will [14:53] Sorry, I didn't see it. [14:53] neutronjack - to me he's just human and the harrassment was too much [14:53] That's also true. [14:53] * Lovedeity has quit IRC (Lovedeity) [14:53] Both sides acted poorly, in my opinion. [14:53] It sounds like an honest mistake [14:54] I'm just saying I dont want him hating religion for the wrong reasons [14:55] people simply being mean isnt the strongest reason to be an atheist, i guess is what im saying [14:55] Certainly not. It would be a shame to make such an important decision in the midst of depression. [14:55] like, hes REALLY old now, and in my opinion, sadly - is that he'd be better off religious, innocuous, and happy - rather than sad for the rest of his life [14:55] But if this helped him to see how people of faith can act irrationally, it might pull the curtain back a little. [14:56] i think he's past the 'old dog new tricks' stage even [14:57] Well, that's unfortunate for everyone. Maybe some of the congregation will eventually see how unchristian they acted and make soem changes. [14:57] Oh, he wasn't lying. He believed it. [14:57] He was incorrect, but sincere. [14:57] ignorance is bliss, so keep ignorant? That means rocks are the happiest things around?! [14:58] lets put it this way - he's not going to be a full on atheist, period. with that in mind, i look at the most realistic situation: [14:58] he's old, i'd rather he sit at home retired and happy :/ [14:59] i'd say knowing him personally affects my view obviously [14:59] Certainly. [15:00] but i can see the opinion that he got bit by what he helped nurture all these years [15:00] however again, it seemed so random: not being forgiven for something so simple [15:01] He parisioners acted poorly--that's certain. [15:01] Yes, WB. It is too bad that these outward prayers seem to have taken on a life of their own. I didn't see this happening 10 or 20 years ago. [15:01] the ones that kept quiet are just as guilty - they let this guy hang [15:02] They were cowards. [15:03] You think Huckabee will be found out as a homosexual? [15:03] Richard Dawkins mentioned a well designed study to measure the effect of prayer for sick people. No effect at all. In fact the control arm that knew they were being prayed for did worse. [15:03] Not that I would care...I would just find it hilarious. [15:05] Still hard to believe that the top two Rep. Candidates in Iowa don't believe in evolution. F'ing ridiculous. [15:05] switching computers (moving upstairs) - will rejoin if IRC works there. brb or maybe not. [15:05] I can't decide if (a) They really don't believe or (b) They're lying to get votes. It's sad that both are so possible. [15:05] Easy to believe. Fantasy is much more comforting to people than reality [15:05] * witchbaby has quit IRC (GOODBYE INTERNETS) [15:06] I think B is more likely. We'll see how the religion card gets played at the more secular states. [15:08] * Canadian_hoser has quit IRC [15:08] I doubt they're lying. Both of 'em wear their religion on their sleave, so to speak. [15:09] So, our choices are "idiots" or "liars". Great. [15:09] SanDiego: yes, it will be interesting to see some more results [15:10] You forgot C: lying idiots [15:10] Moderate!? He's a MINISTER. [15:11] ron paul - d'oh [15:11] really? [15:11] Um...go Obama? [15:11] I can accept one that's religions, but a MINISTER!?!? [15:11] The scary part of Huckabee is that he has a quite likeable demeanor. [15:12] RP You Tube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw [15:12] Oh yeah, his Chuck Norris commercial was hilarious...if he becomes President, though, I'm going to be pissed [15:12] He's a politician--a likeable demeanor is a job requirement. [15:13] hahaqhahahhahahahahahahahahahhaa [15:13] Oh, Huckabee [15:14] Sounds like another "Not a REAL Christian" type of argument [15:16] Ooo...haven't been over the brink of destruction yet. [15:17] * Canadian_hoser has joined #nonprophets [15:17] Hovind, Hamm, Haggard, and now Huckabee. [15:21] anyone goiing to post the podcast? I just got a connection [15:21] The post it on their website. [15:22] I have to wait??? [15:22] You get what you pay for. :-) [15:22] http://nonprophets.gotdns.org:8000/listen.pls [15:22] yeah, win-dos Xtra Problems, the problem was my date was set to 2057 [15:23] http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2007/12/huckabee-homosexuality-environmentalism-book.html [15:24] * Juju has joined #nonprophets [15:24] Hi, all. [15:24] What did black people do to get enslaved? [15:24] So, it's OK to ask candidates questions about everything except what the fundametal belief about reality is? [15:25] They were asking for it. [15:27] Aren't there usually more people here? [15:27] this is about it [15:28] maybe a couple more [15:28] does the universe have a purpose? Sounds like aristotle's notion of a final cause. totally bogus. [15:29] isn't existing enough? [15:30] I liked what Sagan said (from memory): "You want your life to have a purpose? Then do something purposeful!" [15:30] I thought that "Reality exists and we're in it." was obvious enough, but it seems like most people don't even get that. [15:35] The kid who ripped up a bible in class? [15:36] Kids are basically slaves. [15:37] A profoundly stupid kid. [15:37] I got hassled for NOT saying the lord's prayer in class [15:38] I wish I had the lack of empathy to do something like that, though. [15:38] Which one? "Hail Cthulu, full of tentacles, PZ is with you." [15:38] the biblicsl one [15:38] Destroying a book is the mark of a barbarian. [15:39] Aw, that only counts for useful books [15:39] If the book says nothing but "blah blah blah" over and over, or has blank pages, then what's the use. [15:39] Ones approved by the National Socialist Party, then? [15:39] Eh...I would never do it. But if its your book, you're free to do with it as you want. [15:40] I travel a lot for work, and I'm thinking of printing up a "rebuttal" card to slip into the Gideon's Bible in every rooom I stay in. [15:41] I have a bunch of warning stickers [15:41] Ohh...nice. [15:41] Freedom of Religion does not mean Freedom from Disagreement. [15:41] another delicate Xian [15:43] address your adoring fans!!! [15:43]