Session Start: Sat Aug 01 13:23:16 2009 Session Ident: #nonprophets [13:23] * Now talking in #nonprophets [13:23] * Topic is 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information!' [13:23] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat Jul 18 13:45:56 [13:23] * ChanServ sets mode: +qo Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [13:24] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! [13:24] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information!' [13:25] * MikeA has joined #nonprophets [13:25] hello [13:25] I have a question [13:25] * Roland has joined #nonprophets [13:26] Fire away. If you don't ask, we can't answer. =) [13:26] I am thinking of starting a swim club here locally [13:27] do I or shold I be a non profit? [13:27] That's rather outside the bounds of the topic of the chatroom. =) [13:27] ok [13:27] * Freewriter has joined #nonprophets [13:27] sorry I guess I don't know what u discuss here [13:28] Check out the website www.nonprophets.org [13:28] Crap, got the wrong site. [13:28] thanks [13:28] That's sad of me. [13:28] http://www.nonprophetsradio.com/ [13:28] That's the one I meant. [13:31] Mind you, I can't see how a swim club would operate at an intentional profit, so if you have to manage money to cover expenses.... might be worth looking into what it would take for non-profit status. Session Start: Sat Aug 01 13:35:25 2009 Session Ident: #nonprophets [13:35] * Now talking in #nonprophets [13:35] * Topic is 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information!' [13:35] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat Aug 01 14:27:55 [13:35] But everybody here seems awfully quiet except for certain smart-alecs. =) [13:35] * ChanServ sets mode: +qo Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [13:35] yay chanserv [13:35] * Non-Prophets sets mode: +o microbiologychick [13:35] poe control [13:36] * MikeA has quit IRC (Broken pipe) [13:36] -> *CodeWeaver* Do I know you from beyond the chat room? [13:37] Too darn quiet in here. [13:37] * CodeWeaver throws more packing peanuts. [13:37] Wait, that doesn't actually help. [13:37] Shh...we are trying to sleep. [13:38] * Owner has joined #nonprophets [13:38] * Freewriter has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [13:38] * Owner is now known as Rasputin [13:38] * Freewriter has joined #nonprophets [13:40] Setting up and waiting for folks to arrive. We'll have Kathleen, Denis and Thad. I'm not sure about Russell, yet [13:40] * jimbo has joined #nonprophets [13:40] ok [13:41] * ChristOnIce has joined #nonprophets [13:41] ChristOnIce: :) [13:41] * Non-Prophets sets mode: +o ChristOnIce [13:44] * ntesla has joined #nonprophets [13:46] * User has joined #nonprophets [13:46] * User has quit IRC (User) [13:46] * Robless has joined #nonprophets [13:46] * dwharder has joined #nonprophets [13:47] * dwharder has quit IRC (dwharder) [13:48] * Liei has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [13:48] * dwharder has joined #nonprophets [13:48] * helo_darqness has joined #nonprophets [13:48] test [13:49] why is nobody talking [13:49] nothing to say I guess [13:49] yeah [13:49] We're waiting with bated breath for the show. :) [13:49] * Echoman has joined #nonprophets [13:49] im making a YT video on if god has free will [13:49] not if we do [13:49] but if god does [13:49] my conclusion is that he does not [13:50] and therefore cannot be called god [13:50] dude, spoilers, not cool [13:50] huh? [13:50] thats the premise [13:50] nevermind, it was a joke [13:50] * dwharder has quit IRC (dwharder) [13:51] i really only have one point, i need more [13:51] but its that if life on earth is fine tuned, then life could only come into existence one way [13:51] Anybody connected to the stream? [13:51] Yup [13:51] why wouldnt god be able to create life in any way [13:51] * dwharder has joined #nonprophets [13:52] Oh crap, I seem to have another non-connection problem. [13:52] Every damned week. [13:52] so why would a god create rules where HIS creations can only be done rigifly [13:52] I am using vlc [13:52] so his own rules disallow him to do 'anything' [13:53] * stoooo has joined #nonprophets [13:53] * SgtHaile has joined #nonprophets [13:54] WOOO I got the stream back. [13:54] * smarties has joined #nonprophets [13:55] * konradius has joined #nonprophets [13:55] * Chappers has joined #nonprophets [13:55] I hear voices in my head! [13:55] They're saying lalalallalala goo goo ga ga! [13:55] * Chappers has quit IRC (Chappers) [13:56] I hear something that is very much not voices [13:56] * ShadowOfDoubt has joined #nonprophets [13:56] this is what my mother would call "noise" when i was 7 [13:56] not THIS [13:56] * PhilA has joined #nonprophets [13:56] * MSM287 has joined #nonprophets [13:57] Bread was good [13:57] * Lynnea_Dally has joined #nonprophets [13:57] yay BOC [13:57] * Lynnea_Dally is now known as EverythingElseAtheist [13:58] * MSM287 has quit IRC (MSM287) [13:58] * DorisES has joined #nonprophets [13:58] * mond has quit IRC (mond) [13:59] Non-Prophets: could we get some music for testing if the streams works? [13:59] Or just some of your fine singing? :p [14:00] * mond has joined #nonprophets [14:00] Hi ChristOnIce :) [14:00] Ho-hum - anyone else I know.. [14:00] * stoooo has quit IRC (stoooo) [14:01] * SpookyElectric has joined #nonprophets [14:01] * msm287 has joined #nonprophets [14:01] * stoooo has joined #nonprophets [14:02] * helo_darqness has quit IRC (helo_darqness) [14:02] * mond has quit IRC (mond) [14:02] * Liei has joined #nonprophets [14:02] * rudeboy has joined #nonprophets [14:02] I'm not getting audio on the stream -- are you? (I was a few minutes ago when they were testing) [14:02] does anyone hear the show, or are they not broadcasting just yet?... [14:02] streaming no audio [14:02] * mond has joined #nonprophets [14:02] so it's good [14:02] Here, too: the sound cut off five minutes ago, just as they were starting the music.. [14:02] * omnikinesis has joined #nonprophets [14:02] * helo_darqness has joined #nonprophets [14:03] * K_Nielsen has joined #nonprophets [14:03] gotta keep stats on how many shows have audio problems. [14:03] There's a slight bit of electronics noise on the stream.. [14:03] Greetings from Denmark ... [14:03] well, tell them to plug in the aux cable if they accidently unplugged it from the pirate transmitter, heh heh [14:03] ..and I know it's the stream, because there's nothing when my computer is turned off. [14:03] it's working [14:03] * Freewriter has left #nonprophets [14:03] K_Nielsen: way in front of you on that.. ;) [14:03] heres a question for you guys [14:03] why is it on AE, you list shows that never happened [14:03] greetings back to denmark [14:03] debdrup, heh heh, of course. :-) [14:03] * Freewriter has joined #nonprophets [14:03] rudeboy: why thank you :) [14:03] last week and 2 weeks before, the show is like 613: cancelled [14:04] Greetings from me, then. [14:04] greetings from norway :-) [14:04] then it didnt happen and the next show is 613 [14:04] maybe AE is doing a parody of the Bible? [14:04] whoa, land of my ancestors [14:04] xghosthunter: another Norwegian? [14:04] yes [14:04] me too [14:04] I seem to recall someone else being a regular in here that's Norwegian. [14:04] part nordic, part swede, part english (cough) [14:04] * kylind has joined #nonprophets [14:04] <- [14:04] joachim: why yes, you're the one. :p [14:05] did u guys hear VFX asked TF to a debate [14:05] * SubTachyon has joined #nonprophets [14:05] Helo: A long time ago, the tradition started that the shows were numbered by week, and it's never changed. [14:05] helo_darqness: no? Your source on that? [14:05] thanks MBC :) [14:05] can only stay a few minutes, have to go to work ... [14:05] Was http://www.palibandaily.com/2009/07/09/ireland-makes-blasphemy-illegal/ mentioned? [14:05] what do those acronyms mean? [14:05] * Aletheia has joined #nonprophets [14:05] SubTachyon: when? The show hasn't started yet. [14:05] microbiology chicl [14:05] chick* [14:05] Might want to leave that link for Matt in a query, SubTachyon. [14:06] * raynet has joined #nonprophets [14:06] Helo_darqness! [14:06] there's also this story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cornwall/8179635.stm [14:06] Another, perhaps more credible source is: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/libel-and-blasphemy-bill-passed-by-the-dail-1813479.html [14:06] yes, im here [14:06] blasphemy charges over nuded taken in church [14:06] are you calling me [14:07] *nudes [14:07] * DO5 has joined #nonprophets [14:07] LKL: I'm more curious as to why there were naked people in the Church.. [14:07] * DO5 has quit IRC (DO5) [14:07] artistic photoshoot [14:07] Starting...in a moment [14:07] its a sin to be naked? [14:07] celebratin' the naked lard? [14:07] helo_darqness, damn! [14:07] these photos: http://www.neolestat.com/neolestat_church.htm [14:08] its like on the simpsons..."if youre happy and you know it thats a sin" *clap clap* [14:08] hehe [14:08] If it wasn't for that damn serpent we'd all be happy in our nakedness. [14:08] i have a serpent [14:08] but we wouldn't know it! [14:08] and i am happy [14:08] * ville has joined #nonprophets [14:08] but are you naked? [14:08] right now... [14:09] I'm pantsless! [14:09] maaaaaybe [14:09] i fap to this show [14:09] music [14:09] Oh yeah, love that intro. [14:09] COWBELL [14:09] Oooh, don't fear the reaper! [14:09] they need more BOC [14:09] do they take song recommenddations? [14:09] theres a thread on iron chariots LKL [14:09] K_Nielsen: I don't. ;) [14:09] * Blahface has joined #nonprophets [14:09] ah. thanks [14:09] but i doubt they read it [14:09] oh [14:09] helo_darqness: they might. [14:09] but yes we have a suggestion thread [14:10] Yay, the Dennis intro is back. [14:10] =) [14:10] I doubt my pet snake would care if i was naked or not, just as long as he got his share of monthly mice .. [14:10] Anti-totalitarian, yay! [14:10] Noob question: how long till it starts? [14:10] SubTachyon: it has started. [14:10] ..just now. [14:10] noob answer: it has starte [14:10] Blue Oyster Cult is definitely non-sucky. [14:10] d [14:10] noob answer, yes [14:10] * Blahface has quit IRC (Blahface) [14:11] Completely or partially non-destructive? [14:11] fractally non-destructive [14:11] Hah, nice. [14:11] Non-introduction. [14:11] thats silly.....he gave instructions for how to listen to the stream [14:11] moar cowbell!!lol [14:11] Cowbell Hero! [14:11] Embrace the epic silly. :D [14:13] Max being Matts dog? [14:13] bird [14:13] Ah, his parrot? [14:13] indeed [14:13] helo_darqness: i'd guess most listeners aren't listening live [14:13] wow you guys are burning threadgills [14:13] ahhhh [14:14] darkflow? [14:14] how sexist. [14:15] its about periods [14:15] women only? [14:15] hilarious name [14:15] dark flow ftw? [14:15] ok, what would the name of the guy's group be? [14:15] whiteflow [14:15] lol [14:15] how clever [14:15] gotta go to work, bye all [14:16] bye rudeboy [14:16] Nocternal emmisions? [14:16] * Robless has left #nonprophets [14:16] * rudeboy has left #nonprophets [14:16] * Trybanpherto has joined #nonprophets [14:16] that sounds like a band! [14:16] * Liei has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [14:16] So anyway, I was watching the Simpsons and there was an episode where they were kinda atheist-bashing.. Even as an atheist, it made me laugh hard. [14:16] * Liei has joined #nonprophets [14:17] on a recent episode homer prayed by telling god to keep non existing [14:17] Simpsons is so long in the tooth. Let it die. [14:17] they made fun of cathlics [14:17] i watched it on hulu [14:17] mond: kinda, but there are fun bits from time to time. [14:17] first time ive seen in 4 or 5 years [14:17] it wasnt bad [14:17] debdrup: which ep? [14:18] helo_darqness: catholics! eek! ? [14:18] :) [14:18] joachim: think it was episode 5 of season 16 - it was definitely season 16 though. [14:18] or the other way around... [14:19] hello all, from a cool and damp corner of England [14:19] I like Nocturnal Emissions better.. [14:19] I find it offensive. [14:19] Find what offensive? [14:19] Someone should set up a stand at an environmental rally to ban nocturnal emissions, and see how many signatures they get on a petition. [14:20] women-only group? I hate being singled out as a woman [14:20] debdrup: what was the story, how were they atheist-bashing? [14:20] Ooh, Cathleen is getting saucy. [14:20] EEA, that's kind of the point. It prevents women from being the token [14:21] * eimerian has joined #nonprophets [14:21] joachim: just poking fun at atheists in general - but it made me laugh. [14:21] isn't it Kathleen? [14:21] joachim: true, it is. [14:21] Cathleen is a welcomed addition [14:21] is there something different about the thoughts / concerns of women atheists that justifies a women-only group? [14:21] But some women are not comfortable being around the typical "militant atheist guys" and wouldn't come otherwise [14:21] EverythingElseAtheist: welp, then make a group that's run by women but lets men join? :P [14:21] There are typical "militant atheist guys"? [14:21] There is still sexism in atheism and skepticism. [14:21] You, kind of an affirmative action program. [14:21] are you saying that men act a certain way? [14:22] segregation prevented blacks from being the token [14:22] as a typical male? [14:22] A lot of the men that are drawn to atheist groups do act a certain way. [14:22] What way is that? [14:22] SpookyElectric: geeky? :P [14:22] sexism in atheism? [14:22] yeah, what's wrong with geeky? [14:23] joachim: atheism is sexy. :p [14:23] sounds like you're about to say "new atheism" [14:23] Joachim, you're simply wrong. There were enough blacks to avoid that. All too often an ACA event will have one woman surrounded by ten guys [14:23] EverythingElseAtheist: nothing, as far as I know. [14:23] ChristOnIce: how many blacks attend your events, and how was i wrong? [14:23] i know, i love geeky. but even if i didn't, i would find segregation as a solution distasteful. [14:24] aren't there enough females to avoid tokenism - there are more than there are men [14:24] Segregation is a stepping stone. the women who might come to dark flow will eventually come to regular ACA events. [14:24] You were talking about historical segregation, not ACA segregation. If the ACA had a blacks-only event, we'd have to hope that both came. [14:24] hehe [14:25] but there seems to be an assumption that men must act geeky and women must act feminine and segregating out the "feminine" ladies will only force the men to be less feminine. [14:25] and disallow the geeky women to participate even more. [14:25] Not in ACA events, joachim. We have a fait number of active women in the group, but they show up less often. It is very common for only one to show up at something [14:25] gender roles are positive feedbacks [14:25] they self-enforce like crazy [14:26] The fact that a women's group has brought in members that other events have not indicates the need for it [14:26] Dark flow seems like a "necessary evil". Not ideal, but in practical terms it will draw more females to the group. [14:26] How is the evil aspect there? [14:26] Does anyone know where the name "Dark Flow" came from? [14:26] Bill Maher isn't atheist, is he? [14:26] I thought he was agnostic. [14:26] What does it have to do with a women's atheist group? [14:26] It would be no different than a senior group, teen group, etc [14:27] Bill Maher is a theist (and a twat) [14:27] i don't think Maher is an atheist [14:27] * jebus911 has joined #nonprophets [14:27] debdrup, Maher is just anti-religion [14:27] no, a men's group would be equal [14:27] raynet: yes, that's what I thought. [14:27] agreed. [14:28] Spooky- On the pub crawl, after a few pints, someone suggested calling it "The Flow" This was later altered to Dark Flow (an event in astronomy) [14:28] Matt Dillahunty for Richard Dawkins!!!! [14:28] Aite, cool. [14:28] * award [14:29] Joachim, a men's group would also be equal, but less necessary. It is this way will all minority groups. There is rarely any reason to have a special group for 70 percent of members [14:29] ChristOnIce - Any clue when you'll be back if ever? [14:29] what is thethere seems to be an assumption that the men won't be able to keep it in their pants and not hit on the females? I feel like the females are opting for a social burqa by forming a hiding away from the men group. [14:29] ChristOnIce: yup [14:29] omnikinesis: sorta-kinda. He'd have to do it as a representative of ACA though, because it's the ACA that does everything - Matt just takes the time to do some of the stuff. [14:29] Hopefully in a year or two [14:30] i hate people assuming that women just love and get along with other women and share some sort of connection automatically. [14:30] EEA: It isn't an assumption. It has happened in numerous atheist groups. [14:30] debdrup- true very true [14:30] aatheist. [14:30] ChristOnIce: would look forward to having you back [14:30] No one makes any ACA women go to the dark flow. It is there as an option if a woman feels she needs it. [14:31] I feel that it's an endorsement of a backwards way of thinking. [14:31] It's not as if the men are lecherous asses (aside from a couple). It's the absence of someone to relate to, and the overfocus on them (mostly for being new, partially for being a woman) [14:31] joachim: well, they might have ChristOnIce on through skype or through the phone-connector on during his non-non-prophetting. [14:31] why do you assume that women can only relate to women? [14:31] Hardly. If women within the group have a shared interest and would like to get together, it makes sense [14:31] Maher has been for HPV vaccine, but that's just because the fundies hate it [14:31] EverythingElseAtheist: but men certainly don't understand women.. :P :P [14:32] ..at least sometimes I think that's the case for me. [14:32] Nobody suggests that women can only relate to women. [14:32] do you understand men? [14:32] joachim: good point. No, I don't. [14:32] :) [14:32] So what have we learn't: I don't understand people. [14:32] people are idiots [14:32] Agreed. [14:32] The point is that they do relate to women, and often do so slightly differently. Very often, active women in the group would want to see other women with whom they're friends. This makes it easier [14:32] i do understand men, I feel the mystery of men / women is far overblown. [14:32] It doesn't assume that women can only relate to women. It is simply there because there is evidence that some women have issues that they are more comfortable discussing with other women. [14:33] EEA, I think you are right on that point [14:33] However, there is nothing wrong with recognizing shared interests and accommodating them [14:33] then they should form their own personal get-togethers, not ACA endorsed events. [14:34] Why does it matter if it is ACA associated? [14:34] if they really can't function 100% around men. [14:34] What's wrong with it being ACA endorsed? Should they just have to hope that other women hear about the group without the aid of the ACA? [14:34] It's not about them being able to function, it's about a change of pace [14:35] once again, the assumption that women won't want to come to ACA for its own merits? Do women only want to be atheist activists if they can be in a girl-only situation? [14:35] it's ACA endorsed sexual discrimination. [14:35] change of pace? [14:35] I want an atheist pope... more rightly, a pope in the vatican thats an atheist. [14:35] It is that some women are more comfortable not being the only woman around. It is intimidating for some [14:35] why can't men engage in a change of pace? [14:36] Lots of people aren't comfortable with atheism in general. When you also have sexism issues, some women need a safe space. [14:36] EEA, it is discrimination, but discrimination isn't always bad. If we had enough kids for a Teen event, would that be harmful? [14:36] if the ACA wants to have like an event that's a sewing circle, and mostly females come but some males come, there is no discrimination. [14:37] but if the circle is only available to women, then it's discrimination. [14:37] Again, you are implying that discrimination is inherently bad [14:37] The ACA is entirely a discriminatory organization [14:37] unwarrented. discrimination based on a physical feature. that is bad. [14:37] teens have different interests from adults [14:37] Had Phil Plait received the Richard Dawkins award? [14:37] scientifically verified [14:37] discrimination based on interests or intelligence: fine! [14:38] If not, he should. [14:38] * stoooo has quit IRC (Goodbye) [14:38] No, it is discrimination based on interests, just as joachim pointed out. The women in the group have different shared interests [14:38] Age is a physical feature. What about a teen group or senior group? [14:38] they can have what they consider feminine events, where mostly females come, then that's fine. [14:38] But they can't do that without barring men [14:38] ChristOnIce: and none of the men share those interests? [14:38] I almost hope he says that.. [14:38] So the women who want to hang with other women should hide behind a knitting group? [14:38] I can't use a womans public rest room. Is that discrimination or a question of practical comfort for most people concerned? [14:38] ..just because I like to see chaos. :p [14:39] wait [14:39] painted myself into a corner [14:39] ignore that [14:39] :P [14:39] The men, by and large, have no shared interests that are not met by other meetings [14:39] Women do [14:39] I enjoy going to normal events. I don't see why the other women don't. [14:39] Most of them do, EEA [14:39] EverythingElseAtheist: because women don't make sense? :P [14:39] Just because you don't doesn't mean it isn't needed. [14:40] Its not a split group. They like ACA events, but sometimes they want to hang out with female friends. [14:40] * Freewriter has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [14:40] the sorts of people who want to segregate themselves from others because of their physical features, then yes. I don't understand that sort of anti-egalitariansim. [14:40] then if they want to hang out with females friends, do that in their own time. [14:40] equalising requires measures that are applied unequally [14:40] EEA, you're simplifying this issue to all hell and ignoring the facts [14:40] They are doing it in their own time, they are just setting it up as a group. [14:41] Wait.. Bill Maher is anti-vaccine? [14:41] a group that the ACA should not support. [14:41] Why not? [14:41] bill maher might just be retarded [14:41] How does the Dark Flow conflict with the ACA? [14:41] Sounds to me like AAI just didn't do the research required on Bill Maher. Straight up incompetence? [14:41] the dark flow is their own time. It is only loosely related to the ACA. [14:41] So they shouldnt go out and support Gay Rights at the Pride Festival either? [14:41] joachim: true. [14:41] because it discriminates against a physical feature. [14:41] * DO5 has joined #nonprophets [14:41] So, EEA, you would oppose a teen group? [14:42] EEA: are you saying men can't be women? [14:42] What interest(s) do females have that isn't met by other groups? (and I'm a female and don't get it) [14:42] they should support gay rights, but should they have separate gay groups? or straight groups? [14:42] if they feel like women? [14:42] * DO5 has left #nonprophets [14:42] if they feel like women, then they are [14:42] so what's with the physical features? [14:43] Someone needs a pop-filter. [14:43] You are quite stuck on the physical features, which is just stupid. The Dark Flow doesn't exist because some members have ovaries. It exists because sexual differences lead to different interests [14:43] it's exactly saying that men who consider themselves women wouldn't be allowed into the group. [14:43] WHAT.. [14:43] What what what what what. [14:43] t*the group is saying that. [14:43] Wow, that might just have been the most idiotic sentence I've ever heard. [14:44] what?!? i'm a female and feel that the groups that are coed are just fine, no need for anything more...what am i missing? [14:44] Okay, that just suppassed it. [14:44] There are no limits to idiocy. [14:44] Aietheia. Do you have female friends? [14:44] yep [14:44] exactly! coed is fine. if you want something else then make it on your own time. [14:44] Do you ever want to just hang out with some girlfriends? [14:45] nope! [14:45] Oh no he didn't. [14:45] Alethia: When a woman shows up to happy hour and is the only woman, she might not come back. When some women get hit on all the time, they won't come back. [14:45] Do you acknowledge that many women do? [14:45] He didn't invoke Hitler.. [14:45] * ihedenius has joined #nonprophets [14:45] MBC, women don't come to happy hour and get hit on all the time [14:45] For one, Keith isn't there [14:46] Well, but it has happened [14:46] oh, happy hour? as a teetotaler, I personally don't go to happyhour, so i have no idea. [14:46] i suppose they must [14:47] A woman may have been hit on once, but I've never seen any repetitive behavior of that nature aside from situations where it's good-natured (a friend we've known for some time) [14:47] Funnily enough, the Mensa-level is now 130 instead of 140. [14:47] ...yet I'm still a member of Mensa. [14:47] I like to be one of the guys too, but some women don't or don't like it when that is their first experience with the group. These women could be an asset to the group once they are comfortable. [14:47] I've been to every happy hour until recently, and I have to say that women who come are much more likely to return than any other group [14:47] i guess i'm just not the bar-going type in the 1st place [14:48] It's very rare that women don't return (at least with happy hour) [14:48] women who come are much more likely to return to my place as well [14:48] do women not come back at the same rate as men who dont come back? [14:48] or are you just making assumptions? [14:48] This isn't for women who don't like other ACA events. Its for women who want something more [14:48] * shane has joined #nonprophets [14:48] My group is a sausagefest and I find that I need to specifically support women who come or I might not see them again. [14:49] * john has joined #nonprophets [14:49] hey not fair matt stating my position, no way he'd give it a fair shake! [14:49] Wow, sausage-fest. [14:49] * Pombolo has joined #nonprophets [14:49] what's wrong with a suasagefest? why the anti-male? [14:49] *anti-male terminology [14:50] haha, that's what i say! [14:50] Shit, missed 50 mins [14:50] sausage-fest is anti-male? [14:50] * evidelogiceason has joined #nonprophets [14:50] i don't think i've heard a non-male even use the term [14:50] But girls, Matt's already taken. [14:50] (it sounds nice to me, but has been used negatively as a reason why people won't want to gome) [14:50] *to come [14:50] debdrup: girls and special boys, mind you :) [14:51] joachim: huh? [14:51] Like it or not, EEA, there are differences between men and women. A large portion is due to socialization, obviously, but differences are there. Most people relate to men and women slightly differently [14:51] debdrup: boys might be interested as well [14:51]