Session Start: Sat Feb 21 13:28:20 2009 Session Ident: #nonprophets [13:28] * Now talking in #nonprophets [13:28] * Topic is 'Tune in to the next LIVE Non-Prophets show, Saturday, Feb 21st, 2009! at 3:00pm eastern on http://www.nonprophetsradio.com, or visit the website for archived episode.' [13:28] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat Feb 14 17:22:22 [13:28] * ChanServ sets mode: +qo Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [13:28] whee [13:28] Oh snap [13:28] stream is up! [13:29] hmm, maybe, norway is kind of strange sometimes :-) [13:29] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information! [13:29] * ChanServ changes topic to 'Tune in to hear the Non-Prophets LIVE, today at 3pm eastern! Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for connection information!' [13:29] * Non-Prophets sets mode: +o microbiologychick [13:30] yeah ye olde Europe is always strange :D [13:30] hehe :-) [13:31] at least we havent got a blasphemy law annymore, and no hijab for polise [13:34] we stil got here in Germany, so far not strongly enforced, but there are cases unfortunately [13:36] how do you break a blasphemy law??? [13:36] think last case we hade, was øverland, thinks it was before i was born, and i is 40 [13:37] * konradius has joined #nonprophets [13:38] isn't blasphemy a victimless crime? [13:39] In reality pretty much [13:40] if god were to showup once in awhile, you wouldn't need blasphemy laws. [13:40] I need a 5920x1600 wallpaper... Bit that easy to find. [13:41] there were some cases here in europe.... mostly with artists who combined penises and crosses, or called jesus a pothead... stuff like this [13:41] hmm, thinks it something like 100 years since annyone got jugded on the norwegian blasphemy-law, at least verry long time since annyone got anny problem [13:42] satanic messages! [13:42] * tom has joined #nonprophets [13:45] * leo-rcc has joined #nonprophets [13:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-jk3VvjGoE&feature=rec-HM-r2 old video but still funny [13:46] * apparition has joined #nonprophets [13:46] * xKronosx has joined #nonprophets [13:47] * ElGuapoTaco has joined #nonprophets [13:47] hi all [13:47] hi [13:48] * mihirgk has joined #nonprophets [13:48] is the show on, i cant hear anything. [13:48] * jimbo has joined #nonprophets [13:49] it hasnt started yet [13:50] ah. what time is it now? [13:50] I'm betting we start late. Denis will be here in about 10 minutes...Shilling and Thad ran out for drinks. I haven't heard from Russell, he may not be here today. [13:51] 2:50pm eastern time [13:51] So, plan on about 15-20 [13:51] * Sabina has joined #nonprophets [13:51] * unBeguiled has joined #nonprophets [13:51] no problemo [13:51] Greetings everyone. [13:51] I hope we are all getting a discount of our subscription money ;-) [13:52] * Liei has joined #nonprophets [13:52] matt i watched the video of your lecture on magic and fooling the mind. have you seen the film The Prestige [13:52] * Insto has joined #nonprophets [13:53] * hamax has left #nonprophets [13:53] okay, i thought i was 45 minutes late but I'm 15 minutes early instead. :) [13:53] hey, all [13:54] Yes, I've seen The Prestige [13:55] did I just hear Danzig on the stream? :P [13:55] wow, thats load, and i is partly deaf [13:55] well I heard that. :) [13:55] Yes, you heard Danzig [13:55] And you'll hear it again [13:55] cool, for some reason that movie seemed to have alot of overlap on the topic of what is real and how to fool the mind....one more question as it is A LOT more relevant to aheism [13:55] =) [13:55] have you seen The Big Kauna? [13:55] yes, more Mother [13:56] last q i promose [13:56] * unBeguiled has quit IRC (Goodbye) [13:56] Nope [13:56] promise* [13:56] * unBeguiled has joined #nonprophets [13:56] i HIGHLY recomend it [13:56] I don't hear anything on the stream right now [13:56] its about athiesm and fundies [13:56] and 'selling' our beliefs [13:56] its a slow based, one act movie [13:56] mostly dialogye [13:56] very stimulating [13:57] play some Slayer on the intro :D [13:57] gee. . . I hope they criticize religion today! [13:57] id love to hear them play Theologians by Wilco [13:58] * TheUndeadLawyer has joined #nonprophets [13:58] lol [13:58] or this one! listen [13:58] http://loobiecore.com/mary.html [13:58] * DrakeDarkHunter has joined #nonprophets [13:58] it plays automatically [13:59] hrhr nice song [13:59] yah [13:59] * rostaman has joined #nonprophets [13:59] I'm I the only one getting white noise? [13:59] theres a stuido version on one of his albums that has violins at the chorus [13:59] I don't hear anything either. [14:00] me neither [14:00] That's because we haven't started [14:00] okay, good [14:00] THATS NO EXCUSE [14:00] * markpgh has joined #nonprophets [14:00] :D [14:00] oh and as for the music choice... [14:00] Danzig rules you [14:00] Ok...some interim music [14:01] One of Jane's' best...as I heard they're back togehter [14:01] together even [14:01] again? [14:01] Evidently [14:01] as in Janes Addiction? [14:01] That is GREAT news! [14:01] They just won't die will they? [14:01] great song too! [14:01] matt, beatbox for us [14:01] I mean that in the nicest way possible of course [14:02] Matt, you going to talk about Slick? [14:02] No [14:02] That's tomorrow [14:02] Though I guess it's possible Russell might bring it up [14:02] If Russell is there ;p [14:02] one of L.A.'s best [14:05] and the chat falls silent... [14:05] well what do need more... good music, a drink, why would I want to spoil that... oooh wait... [14:05] i was getting worried that i'd been disconnected or something :) [14:06] * Tron has joined #nonprophets [14:06] Favorite part coming up soon (though you're all delayed, so you'll hear it at different times). :) [14:06] * JoshL has joined #nonprophets [14:06] * Tron is now known as Rizen [14:06] much text, http://wordofman.blogspot.com/2008/08/christianity-tenth-plague.html think they gave up the blasphemy-law in norway after that one [14:07] nice guitar solo... what is the band called? [14:07] Also, I just checked levels and it was too loud...so I turned it down. You may need to adjust accordingly [14:07] Jane's Addiction [14:07] That's Dave Navarro [14:07] my vol is all the way up [14:07] thanks [14:07] early 90s Alt Rock [14:07] does anyone not hear anything [14:07] good music to smoke pot by [14:07] If you don't hear anything...you're not connected [14:07] I hear the music fading out... [14:08] If I hear the music am I connected to the show? [14:08] * kyokuma_jr has joined #nonprophets [14:09] yes [14:09] thanks [14:09] d'oh [14:09] as far as I can tell [14:09] unless your playing a song yourself [14:09] best intro EVER! Wonder how Dennis is gonna top that ;-) . [14:09] I wouldn't put it past me [14:09] Unless you've found a different stream [14:09] maybe angels sing into your ear? [14:09] i had that happen to me in itunes once [14:10] * Gleemax has joined #nonprophets [14:10] that is probably not the intro music, thats still the warm up [14:10] Jaen's Addiction? [14:10] * Kazim has joined #nonprophets [14:10] yep [14:10] Kazim in da howse [14:10] play the strangest thing you can find [14:11] hey Russel! [14:11] * Non-Prophets sets mode: +o Kazim [14:12] * markpgh has quit IRC (markpgh) [14:12] thanks matt for that lesson in good music :) [14:12] * Moutemhet has joined #nonprophets [14:13] and a hush falls over the glen as the atheists stalk their prey... [14:13] Xians beware... [14:14] waiting in secret for a moment of weakness [14:14] I thought all atheists were vegans [14:14] took me a second, but lol [14:14] * tristan has joined #nonprophets [14:14] an odd thought [14:14] * torrez has joined #nonprophets [14:14] http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/bigpot6.jpg [14:14] My stream is up if needed, http://gizmoi.dyndns.org:8000/stream.ogg [14:14] sponsor a vegetarian today! [14:14] http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc51/Harsgault/1234666445334.jpg [14:15] i recently made a demotivator. it was a painting of joseph huggging a near naked jesus. and it said GAZE: Jesus Hates Homophones [14:15] * rostaman has quit IRC (rostaman) [14:15] I hear matt [14:15] * tristan has quit IRC (tristan) [14:15] * rostaman has joined #nonprophets [14:15] It sounds fine to me [14:15] me too [14:15] But I like loud ;p [14:15] me 3 [14:15] jep [14:15] yep [14:15] I can here Matt too [14:15] i has oatmeal! [14:15] me4 [14:15] lol! [14:15] Everything sounds great [14:15] omnomnomnomnomnom Kazim [14:15] Russell is eating donut holes. [14:15] lol is smb eating? [14:15] you're doing great [14:15] dont square the sine [14:15] donut holes! [14:16] nom nom nom donut holes nom nom nom [14:16] hi [14:16] hi you 2 russell [14:16] the louder the better [14:16] i lost my button hole! where the hell am i going to buy another one? [14:16] awh dammit... I need to grab food [14:16] Let's see, my mind hasn't caved in and my heart hasn't exploded so I'm fine [14:16] brb [14:16] lol [14:16] thats what she said [14:16] I feel kind of sad I couldn't come up with a fun screen name cuz im so tired [14:16] haha [14:16] lol! [14:16] what's this about Joss? [14:16] So after two episodes, what do people think of Dollhouse? [14:17] I liked the first and haven't seen the second yet [14:17] So shut up :) [14:17] OH! [14:17] not super excited about it, but then again, go and watch the first two episodes of buffy or angel. . . [14:17] The promos have kind of turned me off it so I haven't bothered [14:17] The ending is awesome [14:17] I haven't seen either [14:17] ;p [14:17] * Sabina has quit IRC (CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) [14:17] * rudeboy has joined #nonprophets [14:17] \ , , / [14:17] Its an interesting show [14:17] ahhhhh! [14:17] MOTHER! [14:17] Not sure how long they can keep it up [14:17] forgot there was s how today [14:18] what's the alt strem server?? [14:18] you mean muthoowaaaahh [14:18] i am sure it will be a mid season cancellation [14:18] http://gizmoi.dyndns.org:8000/stream.ogg [14:18] ty [14:18] im an ignoramus [14:18] who is this [14:18] oh yeah, this is Danzig so pronounciation is for suckers! [14:18] never mind [14:18] Mooootharrrwoa [14:19] The newspaper article intro? Cool! [14:19] nice [14:19] Movie/Book review? [14:19] * Jason_Kircher has joined #nonprophets [14:20] :D [14:20] Hm. iTunes is not loading the stream.... [14:20] So now it's the I hate America intro? [14:20] itunes sucks [14:20] Does the OGG work what in windows media player? [14:20] use winamp [14:20] nope [14:20] Not sure, I know ogg works in winamp [14:20] winamp ftw [14:20] on a MAC [14:20] * Jason_Kircher has left #nonprophets [14:20] ogg vorbis works in winamp [14:20] usin media player classic here [14:21] got a few options here... [14:21] I would think it would work on itunes but not sure [14:21] endorsement? more like fanboy :D [14:21] brb [14:21] and thats how I listen to it so I can't really try it right now [14:21] rudeboy, you might want to try vlc [14:21] well. my itunes loaded the window but not the stream [14:21] totem movie player here [14:21] yeah, I have vlc too [14:21] Hitch got rolled!! [14:21] what? [14:22] by? [14:22] yep [14:22] punched in the face [14:22] downloaded .pls file, dragged into iTunes on Mac. Working fine. [14:22] syrian [14:22] thugs [14:22] is he ok? [14:22] yep [14:22] Thunderfoot suspended? anyone else know of this? [14:22] the usual stream is a pls file; this one is an ogg,. I came to late to the show, server is overloaded for pls [14:22] wha? [14:22] why [14:22] ah [14:22] ill try again [14:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpJxI1qQXUI&feature=subscription [14:22] Yeah, ill try to switch it to pls in the future [14:23] im not done watching yet [14:23] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/18/christopher-hitchens-beat_n_168035.html [14:23] ah! got it [14:23] never mind all is well [14:23] ok [14:23] Hitch was loaded and defaced a poster in Lebanon, got jumped [14:23] Tshirty price? ;p [14:23] $20 [14:23] Me! [14:23] Hitchens was doing something that GOT his ass kicked? [14:23] yes [14:23] news to me [14:23] i know a video was taken down from Thunderf00t, but i didn't know hw is is suspended. [14:23] Yeah [14:24] He was being stupid in my opinion. [14:24] He can be an asshole. [14:24] All I heard was -- he got jumped -- not the reason why. Thanks Main stream media.. [14:24] i like that hes an asshole [14:24] Hitchens isn't the most likable of atheist [14:24] nice to get ALL the facts before printing or releasing something [14:24] He wrote Fuck the SSNP [14:25] Granted, sometimes you need to be an asshole [14:25] to some people, there's no such thing as a likable atheist [14:25] he's entertaining...who cares what kind of person he is lol jk [14:25] Which is the Syrian Social Nationalist Party [14:25] and someone got a video of it?? [14:25] While he was in an area that the SSNP hangs out [14:25] And Thunderf0t was supsensed again? I hope that's not the case [14:25] And they saw him do it, went over and beat his ass [14:25] * xKronosx has left #nonprophets [14:25] Apparently hes fine. [14:25] that's good [14:25] here it comes [14:25] so, in the parlance of the times, he got the message [14:25] huh? stream doesnt work for me [14:25] if he has gashed hands he prob got some blows in [14:26] But its like going through a KKK area and saying "FUCK THE KKK" ;p [14:26] rebuffering [14:26] no wait its back [14:26] my stream kicked in on my mac. my windows machine told me to talk a walk [14:26] weird [14:26] boozing in beruit? Documentary? [14:26] see thats awesome [14:27] journalist research includes defacing posters? [14:27] "I was on the ground," Hitchens said, "and getting it in the head." [14:27] interesting [14:27] Hitchens, dude, why? [14:27] journalistic research? you mean getting wasted? [14:27] the "punchup" [14:27] he scraped knuckles when he fell [14:27] Well, if the poster boasts a swastica... [14:27] I suppose [14:27] the sidewalk won [14:27] "getting in the head" -- amusing choice of word. [14:28] lol yeah really [14:28] Hitchens once wrote an entire editorial on the virtues of blowjobs. [14:28] so who won? [14:28] Seriously. [14:28] he's got a big melon, hard to miss [14:28] glass of scotch, a ciggie and a black eye. Your friendly neighborhood journalist [14:28] link? [14:28] one moment [14:28] lol [14:28] http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/world/world/general/hitchens-assaulted-in-beirut/1440138.aspx [14:28] Until then Hitchens asserted that punches in the face weren't assault [14:28] Heres on place where the story is [14:28] cool [14:28] The resolution itself: HJR 1009: AMENDING THE ARKANSAS CONSTITUTION TO REPEAL THE PROHIBITION AGAINST AN ATHEIST HOLDING ANY OFFICE IN THE CIVIL DEPARTMENTS OF THE STATE OF ARKANSAS OR TESTIFYING AS A WITNESS IN ANY COURT. [14:28] http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2009/02/17/arkansas-5-other-states-ban-atheists-from-public-service-seriously.html [14:28] I meant the BJ essay Russ [14:29] http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2006/07/hitchens200607 [14:29] Yay, I found it! [14:29] niiice [14:29] * jimbo has quit IRC (jimbo) [14:29] lol I read that one later. [14:29] * jimbo has joined #nonprophets [14:30] news wise -- [14:30] something going down in arkansas? what clinton? [14:31] * WoodrowWoodpecker has joined #nonprophets [14:31] of course, including texas [14:32] * john has joined #nonprophets [14:32] * tristan has joined #nonprophets [14:32] if it said that blacks couldent hold office there would be a big thing about it im sure [14:32] Did anyone else lose audio just now? [14:32] no [14:32] it got better [14:33] likin my audio [14:33] * tristan has quit IRC (tristan) [14:33] nope [14:33] multitasking at this moment -- finishing my golram taxes [14:34] * Mikey has quit IRC (Mikey) [14:34] guess mikey didn't like it [14:35] That's Life [14:35] (pop culture joke #117935) [14:35] we should have the state anti-atheist stuff removed because if the sc turns conservative and rules that it's now legal, then the state stuff will hurt us [14:36] * DrakeDarkHunter has quit IRC (DrakeDarkHunter) [14:38] * NeutronJack has joined #nonprophets [14:38] nj!! [14:38] Ruuuuuuuuuuuudeboy! [14:38] We got a show today? [14:38] late like me too? [14:38] yeah [14:38] Yeah its on right now [14:38] catch up show from two weeks ago remember? [14:39] * konradius has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]) [14:39] I didn't know if they'd just move the schedule by one week. [14:39] * FalseImago has joined #nonprophets [14:39] supreme ruler of the universe? Dillahunty? [14:39] it just sounds stupid [14:39] Ming the Merciless? [14:39] I thought Schilling was the supreme ruler of the big U [14:40] it will be a miracle if this passes [14:40] so christians cant get money when they try to disporve other religions? [14:40] supreme ruler of the universe has a myspace page [14:41] well then [14:41] QED [14:41] supreme beings are mutually exclusive [14:41] I still think THOR is around sometimes [14:41] * Sabina has joined #nonprophets [14:41] so saying one exists implicitly says all the others don't [14:41] Hm. Thunder. He must be feeling thor.... [14:42] http://profile.myspace.com/42153872 [14:42] 9pop culture joke #479051) [14:42] a is not specific it could any single one [14:43] * jimbo has quit IRC (jimbo) [14:43] Long rebuffer [14:43] Your logic is interesting, and has little to do with laws & judges. [14:43] the stream is really sucky at my end [14:44] pray for more bandwidth [14:44] wow according to myspace the supreme ruler of the universe is protestant.... well that settles it O.o [14:44] re: myspace supreme ruler would ya? [14:44] I don't need to pray for bandwith, I pay for it ;) ...must be the server [14:44] lol reaearch? who would deside that? [14:44] my ISP just upped bandwidth by %50 [14:45] * jimbo has joined #nonprophets [14:45] nice [14:45] and I did not even have to pray for it [14:45] * FalseImago has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]) [14:47] bandwidth? A marching band with lots of heavy people? [14:47] that's why girl scouts are awesome... no god necessary [14:47] I think the main goal of B scouts is to instill homophobia [14:47] damn I'm smooth - on the last page of my 540 form. [14:48] I'm smooth too... I'm almost done with this sudoku [14:48] Course, friggin Schwantzknocker isn't going to send me a refund... [14:48] a bunch of boys sleeping together in a tent is supposed to instill homophobia [14:48] well, maybe not. THey did finally pass a budget [14:48] < good morning [14:48] was i suposed to be in a tent? [14:49] careful -- a mule with hangover is alert [14:49] < hangover... alert... oxymoron? [14:49] I seriously need to deconstruct that sentence [14:49] ~sentence [14:50] postmodernism is whack [14:50] check this out , a monument to dead fetuses http://news.ccpblogs.com/files/2009/02/main_resized1.jpg [14:50] ah crap, I'm getting a pitifully little 2hundred plus back from Sacmymentos [14:50] think we have to worry about that huge crack? [14:51] madonna of the unborn?!?!/ lol [14:51] * unBeguiled is a god [14:52] http://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/south-carolina-statehouse here [14:52] i made my firt principled stand a an athiest agast the boyscouts [14:52] i wa 7 and i didnt wanna do it [14:52] Trouble with your 's'? [14:53] oh, dunno if it's on the docket for today's show but ND's House passed an abortion ban defining fertilized embryos as people http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=333726 [14:53] Canada can have ND [14:53] no way, ND is scary [14:53] indeed [14:54] * grrrrraeme has quit IRC (grrrrraeme) [14:54] ok -- taxes all done [14:54] their highways are littered with "If you don't believe in god, you are going to hell" signs [14:54] my sudoku is not [14:54] you have a job? why? [14:55] lol, remembered the Canton, North Dakota song on Colbert Report [14:55] so is miscariage manslaghter? [14:55] prolly involuntary [14:55] I lost my virginity in North Dakota [14:55] no. act of god. [14:55] Miscarriage is god's way of saying HE is pro-choice. :P [14:56] I have this ancient electric typewriter - Citizen -- that has a fussy motor (it likes to stall) to type my forms nice and neat [14:56] so send almost all women to jail!! [14:56] i think its sayig he is pro death [14:56] kinky.... [14:56] he's certainly pro death [14:57] i wish news stories would actually link the bill in question [14:57] NOrth Dakota, Hoser? My sympathies. DId it involve a cow ? [14:57] Hoser? was a priest involved? [14:57] no, a 19 year old girl, I was 15 [14:57] North Dakota? Spent a year there one night. [14:57] rock on! [14:57] sweet [14:57] Lucky you, hoser.... I think [14:57] i lost my watch in north dakota [14:57] I've never been to either of the Dakotas [14:58] 19 years old, corn and wheat fed sweetie? [14:58] I lost my nerve with a 19 y/o when I was 15 [14:58] ive been in south ... it was cold [14:58] * Rizen has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [14:58] she was pretty agressive [14:58] I'd like to osee the Badlands, though. [14:59] probably looking for a way out of the state, she saw your license plate and thought, SAVED! [14:59] my grnadparents have a farm 4 miles north of ND [14:59] ND badlands are beautiful [14:59] senior discounts? [14:59] Bet they are glad to be noth of the 49 [14:59] north [14:59] * Rizen has joined #nonprophets [15:00] consequently, I know ND quite well [15:00] So I can't have a dance club and have free drinks for women? Yeah, right. [15:00] My roommate is from 60 N latitude -- FT SMith NWT -- he's happy to be here in LA [15:00] Wouldn't like a girls night be the same shit? [15:00] All girls get free drinks? [15:00] Yeah [15:00] daaaamn... I hadn't heard how bad the injuries were [15:00] doesn't miss the snow or the tundra [15:00] < the 911 call was disturbing [15:01] haven't heard that either [15:01] I hear a non-lawyer pretending to know the law. [15:01] oh, monkey sex [15:01] hardly a pet. THis animal thought it was family [15:01] awful story [15:01] hence the attack [15:01] ouch [15:02] when the attack men then eat balls [15:02] people should not keep pets like that in my humble opinion [15:02] monkey baths [15:02] anyone ever fuck a chicken? [15:02] ask stupid questions [15:02] lol [15:02] Travis - every third guy in Texas is named that [15:02] do you have a chicken youre trying to set up? [15:02] I'd never resprt to such a fowl deed [15:02] jealous monkey? [15:03] don't egg us on [15:03] actually yeah [15:03] I met someone that was arrested for fucking a sheep [15:03] face eating chimps ? An attack chimp? [15:03] this is basic mammal psychology [15:03] was it worth it? [15:03] ALLEGEDLY fucking a sheep! [15:03] how much is the woman who has no face going to sue for? [15:03] was the sheep attractive ? [15:03] the chimp accepted the human as a family unit. IT perceived the intruder as a threat [15:03] I never found out how he was caught [15:04] i want to raise shee when i grow up [15:04] the cost of a new face I bet [15:04] i want then to be waist high [15:04] plus a couple bucks for pain and suffering [15:04] I bet the sheep was dressed provocatively and asked for it [15:04] sheep in thongs... that' hot [15:04] you're pulling the wool over my eyes with all this sheep shit [15:04] mmm... wool thong [15:04] lol [15:04] itchy [15:05] maybe, after they have been shaved [15:05] tee hee [15:05] real she have hair!!! [15:05] just leave a landing strip [15:05] sheep! [15:05] I'm with Mule [15:05] Ewe asked for it [15:05] lol [15:06] I met the sheep fucker when I was working in a mental hospital [15:06] was the sheep there too? [15:06] what fo i sacrifice to get the show to stop being choppy? [15:06] No, he was a patient [15:06] oooooh [15:07] choppy means a slow connection drunkmule [15:07] kelly and the stud? [15:07] sacrifice a christian [15:07] he lost his lease on the ram? [15:07] * Moutemhet has quit IRC (Moutemhet) [15:07] sacrifice a shot of whiskey [15:07] now he's on the lamb [15:08] xians consider themselves as sheep [15:08] so he gets force fed haggis until he's cured of his sheep fetich? [15:08] ugh. I just booted. [15:08] * rudeboy realizes just how sick his mind is today [15:09] schilling... wtf? Where's that in the bible? [15:09] so i haved fed sheep...... [15:09] you're fed up with sheep? [15:09] f-ed [15:09] oooooh [15:10] perhaps you forgot to wear your glasses? [15:10] the one time i try to not fucking cuss [15:10] so, then discuss [15:10] Frank Turek = uber D'Bag [15:11] wow a contraction of dousch [15:11] didn't know there was one [15:11] I watch his show on some bible channel cuz my tivo grabs anything w/ atheist in titile [15:12] then why sit through it [15:12] national motto? since when? [15:12] it's funny [15:12] ah [15:12] since 1957-ish? [15:12] Can I get "In Darwin I turst" license plate? [15:12] in god we test is older [15:13] he wear's high waisted pants and mock turtle necks, what a cheeze ball [15:13] it was from civil war [15:13] 1956 [15:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust [15:13] hah! [15:13] for money [15:13] Wikipedia is never wrong ;) [15:13] lol [15:13] Those pesky commies never trusted in god and look at them now. [15:13] in gawd we kill southerners? [15:14] so those northerner factory owners were the commies? [15:14] ok changes the whole cibil warlikethingy for me [15:14] chunks of my blog [15:14] I like that for a title [15:14] 1908 for coins? [15:15] * Izzem has joined #nonprophets [15:15] huh [15:15] In 1863, eleven Protestant denominations banded together to petition the Congress to correct the oversight by the founders and "reform" the Constitution to indicate that the United States was created as and remained a Christian nation. Thus, the so-called National Reform Association submitted the following additions to the preamble: [15:16] We, the people of the United States, humbly acknowledging almighty God as the source of all authority and power in civil government, the Lord Jesus Christ as the ruler among nations, his revealed will as the supreme law of the land, in order to constitute a Christian government, and in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and [15:16] crap [15:16] * Gleemax shudders [15:16] asshat! [15:16] DRINK! [15:17] we just need to convince christians that the statement 'in god we trust' is the mark of the beast and shouldent be on money [15:17] damn [15:17] < BRB [15:17] who else in Mo? [15:17] I just vurped a little. Ouch. [15:17] I's in STL [15:17] * Sabina has quit IRC (CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) [15:18] go cards [15:18] go Blues! [15:18] sit in texas -- right Dubya is still there [15:18] me too, go wings [15:18] I will fight you [15:19] * NeutronJack is a Detroit native. [15:19] congrats on the science standards, texans [15:19] ok buy first put on skates :) [15:19] * NeutronJack sensibly lives in Colorado, now. :-) [15:19] my dad had the smarts to move to miami [15:19] mmm . . . I think my shoulder is out [15:19] where in CO? [15:19] but whos gonna be a panthers fan?? [15:20] wbc! [15:20] fred!!! [15:20] I love Fred Phelps [15:20] * rudeboy is chugging a Tecate and cashews [15:20] * Sabina has joined #nonprophets [15:20] god hates figs [15:20] Wooooah woah woah. I thought America was "God's chosen land." Why would they want to leave? [15:21] same with canada [15:21] we have stupid laws too [15:21] www.godhatescanada.com and I am very proud [15:21] "IN God we Trust" is on our money and the US is still in the financial shit bucket ?? [15:22] we need more trust [15:22] God hates Berlin... we got a gay mayor... so come on over wbc :D [15:22] actually, I wish the UK would have allowd the WBC nutjobs in..... [15:22] I'd love to visit Germany [15:22] especially for the octoberfest [15:22] and Geert Wilders, too. Let Geert and the lovely Shirley Phelps-Roger (C*nt) have a nice chat. [15:23] i know the hate speech laws here is set up to stop neo-nazi's in the early seventies. [15:23] lol [15:23] but dawkins doesnt debate [15:23] that is in munich (those bastard bavarians :D ) but yeah the beer is good [15:23] dawkins sucks at it... harris is better [15:23] ray is cheap [15:23] I am from Zweibruken [15:23] well hes hasent deabted them so i dont know how you know that [15:24] but you're not a scientists matt [15:24] ray could debat a tree [15:24] besides the usualktouriust nonsence, where is the better place to visit in Germany? [15:24] ciuldnt even [15:24] LOL! as *IF* dawkins needs the $10,000 (Laffs) [15:24] I still think in terms of debating theism, Hitchens is still my favorite. [15:24] he could give it to me! [15:24] Ray could bring his magic banana to the debate. [15:24] i aggre [15:24] izzem i second that [15:25] I third that [15:25] rudeboy, the south of germany, near the swiss border is the nicest. [15:25] hichens is too big an as [15:25] & then stick that banana into his... [15:25] harris comes off as funny [15:25] Oh yea, he's an ass. But that's why I love him. [15:25] I just listened to a recent debate between the Hitch and that bouchedag, Dinesh D'souza, at CSU , Boulder. [15:25] i think hitchens is an ass when he needs to be [15:25] while being aofften a bigger ass.... [15:25] hitchens i great only gripe i have is that he dosent answer some questions where he could make a good point [15:26] at least to me it seems most of the time he is respectful, until the other side starts being an ass or idiot [15:26] If I were to travel there, I'd prefer not to do the usual tourist thing... sounds good to me [15:26] for history: visit berlin, for beer, humptata music, traditon n stuff: visit the south, for good food vist the north (hamburg or bremen) [15:26] * zeffii has joined #nonprophets [15:26] i was a scientist :) [15:26] i love the zoo & aquarium in berlin! [15:26] I work with a bunch of Germans. I love them all. [15:26] thanks Hokasha [15:26] can you describe the ruckus? [15:26] + the UN bear circle [15:26] I get the Ray Comfort newsletter by email [15:26] long time? [15:26] essentially, tour all around to get the full flavor [15:27] I am in Germany about 3 times a month. [15:27] hrhr yeah thats right [15:27] rudeboy: Fort Collins, CO. About 60 miles N of Denver. [15:27] seriously, that beheading is a mental story [15:27] what do you do that takes you there? [15:27] It's a nice country. [15:27] he's getting 2nd degree murder charges? [15:27] i wanna drik can we make him say asshat? [15:27] you mean that Muzzie in New york state? he's only getting a 2nd degree murder charge? Not FIRST degree ???!!! [15:28] fuck ray comfor, he's an imbecile [15:28] how can BEHEADING your victim *not* be premeditated ? [15:28] I do system administration for our chemical lab and sales offices there. [15:28] matt is GREAT at unpacking bad arguments - he would pwn comfort [15:28] * NeutronJack is off to walk the dogs. See you later, sinners! [15:28] sweet [15:28] * NeutronJack has quit IRC [15:28] "HOnest, officer!! It was an accident! she slipped and fell on my scimitar !!!" [15:28] NJ had to take out the four legged shit machines [15:29] can he make the offer to hitchens instead? [15:29] IPU IS REAL!!!! [15:29] "yeah, she slipped and her neck happened to fall on the blade. what are the chances?" [15:29] exactly, zeffi. Are you a defense lawyer ?? ;) [15:29] and pinkly invisable [15:29] oh i forgot ... right now it is carnival in cologne... probably the best winter event to visit [15:29] i had the blade mounted on the wall and it fell! [15:30] the sign company that does the beses here in Edmonton rejected our atheist signs too [15:30] oh ottowah! [15:30] The DJINN be headed her !!! [15:30] ps: yesterday i was listening to an interview with Ray about his new book on freethought or smth & he said if you're a homo, you just need to get on your knees & pray to god & presto! [15:30] they are afraid to "insult" someone [15:30] * microbiologychick has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [15:30] HEH the new "PRESTO GAWD" pat. pending [15:30] they run xian and pro-non-choice ads [15:31] well i dont see many religious signs here in edmonton [15:31] great so religios have special favor [15:31] they are few [15:31] canada owns its own airways too... [15:31] huh? [15:32] no free market defence [15:32] * Jake has joined #nonprophets [15:32] jake? [15:32] THE jake? [15:32] Hello [15:32] sabina :) like Johnnie Cochran [15:32] i don't think so... [15:32] ah [15:32] First time here [15:32] a jake???? [15:32] ok [15:32] welcome [15:33] that guy is going down [15:33] Thank you [15:33] what? [15:33] welcome [15:33] the fisrt five minuets! [15:33] Thanks [15:33] engineers are more fundie [15:33] oh theres a great video by a youtube user called donexodus2 [15:33] scientists that qualify as steve? [15:33] what am I missing here? [15:34] im a bartender named russell? [15:34] I *ADORE* Donexodus. I subscribe to him. He is a christian, too.. and a med student.. BRIGHT guy [15:34] I'm an apple employee named Neil.... so friggin huh? [15:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty1Bo6GmPqM <-- [15:34] I missed the intro on this I guess [15:34] engineers are less likely to take biology then scientists [15:35] my physics corse had no biology [15:35] I have a good friend who is a chemical engineer who hates practically anything that isn't related to what he does [15:35] physics and eng are a lot a like [15:35] I'm a punishment engineer named Beelzebub. [15:35] Oops, I mean... [15:35] course, he's a workaholic [15:35] my physics prof mentioned evolution once when talking about the 2nd thermo law and how it doesn't prove evolution wrong [15:36] a fetus has rights? [15:36] oh brother [15:36] and lefts :) [15:36] and upas and downs [15:36] ladies and germs, the spinning fetus [15:36] ha ha [15:36] it spins clockwise [15:36] it spins counterclockwise [15:36] can it tunnel? [15:36] OH! yews. fertilized zygoes have RIGHTS !!!! [15:37] it breachbirts and sometimes goes headfirst [15:37] pregnant woman having sex, sexual harrasment of a kid!! [15:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty1Bo6GmPqM#t=09m08s [15:37] This fetus can cook from day one. You following me camera guy? You're gonna love my nuts. [15:37] Let's give driver licenses to zygotes. [15:37] get that thing out of here, I'm trying tosleep in this womb [15:37] no no! make them pay rent instead! [15:37] I'll give you a tickjet for violating the cervex [15:37] womb with a view? [15:38] LOL! "ZYGOTAL CONSENT!" [15:38] one bedroom with bath...? [15:38] sometimes murdering a few judges is the last resort [15:38] I visited the last resort. It was closed for the season [15:38] the tree of liberty is fertilized witht he blood of patriots and tyrants [15:38] sabina, his "why i believe in god" videos are terrible FAIL tho [15:39] their tree of liberty has no limbs and is permaplaxed to rigid non changing [15:39] wtf? [15:39] oh, keyboard got unplugged LOL [15:39] it took me months to get what was meant by Roe v. Wade.... [15:40] we have different trees eh? [15:40] thye have a different tree [15:40] zeffi? whose vids? Comfort's ? [15:40] not what the founder thought anyway [15:40] fouynders [15:40] founders [15:40] get it right yet [15:41] fucking fingers are too big [15:41] or this keyboard is too small [15:41] < bad typing are us [15:41] Bush thought "ROe v. Wade" were options for Katrina victims. [15:41] < yeah, well... [15:41] I have a big mouth [15:41] and an even bigger keyboard lol [15:41] sabina, no donX [15:41] mines sorta small.... [15:42] have to live up to my name ya know [15:42] but i have a huge head [15:42] bet the ladies like that [15:42] you say to drunk mule.... [15:42] ctrl+f , zeitgeist [15:42] < OH, ok. Zeffi... gotcha. [15:42] www dot what the f@#$K does that mean? [15:42] coulddn't get past the first 5 minutes [15:42] zeitgeist -> asshat -> DRINK :D [15:42] zeitgeist is a fraud [15:43] < steaming pile of shit [15:43] DRINK [15:43] good as asshat [15:43] i think my sis bought into that zeitgeist stuff... [15:43] man, I drank that tecate like it was water [15:43] congratulate me, I must be a dipso [15:44] reg or dark? [15:44] Religiolous was a comedy [15:44] reg -- got it cheap [15:44] prefer the dark [15:44] oh never mind im thinking modelo [15:44] LOL@ rudeboy's prescience !!! [15:44] swa it, got a few laughs [15:44] Oh, reminds me of this video I saw called Illuminati or something to that effect. [15:44] I was a prescience major in school [15:44] last week i was confronted with a zeitgeist loon group, i was trapped for like an hour listening to them creating their links of world domination and stuff [15:44] So what's the real deal with Jesus<->Horus...is there some real scientific research besides Zeitgeist? [15:45] Hours? it's just after 1:45 [15:45] you cant do post hoc science [15:45] oh... damn my crossed eyes [15:45] I hoced up my lunbg yesterday [15:45] uh, where the f did that b come from? [15:45] thats why you have 2 [15:46] two what? [15:46] lunges [15:46] * rudeboy checks pants. [15:46] TYuou stole them! [15:46] it was mattslick who sucked [15:46] Only women have babies... I think they're up to something. [15:46] _period_ [15:46] women have periods? [15:46] hw does one respond to whitenoise? [15:46] don';t they ever use semicolons [15:46] and exclimation marks [15:47] oh oh oh oh [15:47] like a porn film [15:47] lol [15:47] * Jake has quit IRC [15:47] i think you 2 were fine [15:47] I get so silly after a drink [15:47] BTW is he going to call back????? [15:47] what was his response? [15:47] hand him his ass? DId he lose it in a poker game [15:48] that will be an epic episode [15:48] It was kinda funny Matt was crazy like "OH NO!" in the chat ;p [15:48] my puter crashed for almost all of that :( [15:48] I think russell and don did a pretty good job [15:48] Hey Kazim, you seemed to have been mailing mr Slick, did he say anything about calling back? [15:48] He hasn't said anything since Sunday. [15:49] have to leave early bye everyone [15:49] at the end i want a visual of don/matt/anyone with mattslicks hart in their hand.. like in mortal combat finishhim moves [15:49] I like 3 eyes and JR [15:49] bye [15:49] see ya all in two weeks [15:49] later ru8de [15:49] sober up drunkmule [15:49] hehheh [15:49] * Sabina has quit IRC (CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) [15:49] * rudeboy has left #nonprophets [15:49] tomorrow :) [15:49] lol [15:49] the audio issues didnt help either [15:49] eye rolling is the most appropriate you can do with such guys [15:50] we will hate you forever!!!!!!! [15:50] we will worship you!!!!!!! [15:51] santaclaws is trancendental [15:51] * microbiologychick has joined #nonprophets [15:51] He IS the messiah!!! O.o [15:51] in his videos slick said no atheist ever presented him with a good rebutal of TAG [15:51] Is this episode on Youtube? [15:51] check google video [15:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLWm_123lZU [15:52] thanks [15:52] yeah, mattslick is forgetting that he is arguing about words/symbols [15:52] TAG = Linguistic masterbastion [15:52] no thats not it [15:52] hold on [15:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLWm_123lZU MATT SLICK ON tag [15:52] * apparition has quit IRC (apparition) [15:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXx89HeVWJA&feature=channel_page here's last show with Matt [15:52] if tag isnt followed by youre it... im not interested [15:52] * apparition has joined #nonprophets [15:52] video only has a 2 star rating [15:53] 3? [15:53] slicks video [15:53] is that us? [15:53] =2 [15:53] clarity fedelity and accuracy? [15:53] the video [15:54] THEY ARE TAUTOLOGY!!!!! [15:54] WTF?? [15:54] I'm gonna remember that for my logic class. [15:54] reaching the lost! [15:54] We haven't hit anything like that yet. [15:54] and the exculded middle is open to depate [15:54] * zeffii is now known as pwnpwnpwn [15:54] http://www.frivology.com/2009/02/19/matt-slick-and-the-atheist-experience/ ? [15:55] NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [15:55] * Sabina has joined #nonprophets [15:55] NOOO!!!!!!! [15:55] no the parcitcals is a propaplisitc function [15:55] its state is knowable as such [15:56] but its not an unnkow that could be know is not for probability [15:57] no!!!!! the speed of quantum particles is probablisitic!!!!! [15:57] I think this isn't painful at all, it's awesome to think about that stuff [15:57] < < well, almost [15:58] i'm with you, tom :) [15:59] Cuba Libre rocks :) [15:59] << Designated driver... Typer... Whatever. [15:59] just beer here [15:59] < i wi sh I had a bottle of vodka. [16:00] they didn't use the keywords much... so I said asshat everytime i was thirsty [16:00] Decarte? [16:00] tag? [16:00] i have 2... < Errr, Descarte. [16:00] asshat? [16:00] ray presenting the banana! [16:01] mine [16:01] no.. ray is the asshole the banaana gos in :) [16:01] your right hand [16:01] damn delay [16:01] masturbatory show... Oo [16:01] Ewww, this Non-prophets is all sticky. [16:01] woooahh [16:02] ehh... its not the worst my puters seen [16:02] Hah. [16:02] Ok...that's the show [16:02] I guess all of ray's bananas are brown.. and not just over ripe. [16:02] lol [16:02] lol! [16:02] great stuff [16:03] stop fucking up quantum physics!!! [16:03] Those of you who think I'm wrong...feel free to e-mail and offer an explanation. [16:03] * leo-rcc has quit IRC (Ex-Chat) [16:03] * ElGuapoTaco has left #nonprophets [16:03] I didn't fuck up quantum physics...I presented someone else's objection that quantum physics counters the laws of logic - and they don't. [16:03] * WoodrowWoodpecker has quit IRC (WoodrowWoodpecker) [16:03] it took my 3 yars to get it... i dont think an email will help [16:03] * torrez has quit IRC (torrez) [16:03] * unBeguiled has quit IRC (unBeguiled) [16:04] * JoshL has quit IRC (JoshL) [16:04] but you assume indetermincy is really just unknown determinice [16:04] I can prove it in one statement: (quantum physics) xor ~(quantum physics) [16:04] hrhr you guys rock... even though you gave me head ache [16:04] that was short [16:04] its really really random [16:04] * Canadian_hoser has quit IRC (Leaving) [16:04] I actually greatly appreciate this "logic analysis" and I think that the non-prophets are generally a more suitable format for that than the Axp [16:04] * TheUndeadLawyer has quit IRC (TheUndeadLawyer) [16:04] Then it's RANDOM... but: random xor not random. [16:04] * Gleemax has quit IRC (Gleemax) [16:04] no!!! [16:05] Man, I need to get my ass to Texas to sit in on some lectures. [16:05] Yes!!! [16:05] its x=more then x [16:05] its not a random funtion [16:05] Then it's "x=more than x" xor NOT "x=more than x" [16:05] its indeterminates! [16:05] Whatever you say it IS... it is what it is and isn't what it isn't. Period [16:06] no! [16:06] The specifics are irrelevant [16:06] its not one or the other its probablisitic! [16:06] it isnt in a single unknow state [16:06] dont we call random something for which we dont probablisitcally wont find a function? [16:06] its in a infinate plurality of states [16:06] the specifics are irrelevant for logic itself, they are merely an application of logic [16:07] too much whisky lastnight. [16:07] Then it's (probablistic) xor NOT (probablistic)... whatever it is...it is. Whether we know what it is is irrelevant. Whether we can determine it or not is irrelevant. Whether it's indeterminent or not is irrelevant) [16:07] * microbiologychick has quit IRC (microbiologychick) [16:07] its rel;ivent to the point of weather we "know" it [16:07] we dont and we cant [16:07] * jimbo has quit IRC (jimbo) [16:08] time for fistfight :-) [16:08] its not just unknow its not knowable [16:08] Anything that doesn't conform to A xor ~A is either NOT a truth statement...or ill-defined. Both of which are issues of content and not structure [16:08] Mortal Kombat! [16:08] Fisticuffs. [16:08] Then it's "not knowable" xor not "not knowable" [16:08] thats true in locig but fails for quantum [16:08] The second you say "It's not knowable" you are confirming the law of identity [16:08] matt have you read any Alfred Korzybski? [16:08] Ok [16:08] it's always A xor not A...doesn't matter what you insert or whether A is unknowable, random or whatever...the logic is always the same [16:09] who is Alfred Korzybski ? [16:09] quantum is illogical! [16:09] the granddaddy of general semantics [16:09] <-- Is going out to get food and cash checks. [16:09] Pwn: no [16:09] haven't read [16:10] 800 pages : Science and Sanity [16:10] QM insistest that we accept that there is really no mecanical explinatipon [16:10] it#s a mind fuck [16:10] While we're on the subject of logic, are there any good logic books I should read? (Asking anyone) [16:10] thanks for the show guys [16:10] baseballs dont fly though walls but qauntum particalls do [16:10] why would want to read it then? @pwn [16:10] appreciate what you people do [16:10] QM is an application of reason...reason is independent of whether there's a mechanical explanation or not. The foundations of reason apply to everything, including reality - even if there is no reality [16:10] The textbook I have for my class is crappite. [16:11] but they either fly through walls, or they don't...they don't do both [16:11] reason? [16:11] only insomuch as its understood [16:11] I'm substituing equivalent words in the hopes that one will get through. [16:11] but its not a knowable concept [16:11] hokasha, because at the same time it rams home that our maps of reality are only maps and not the things that they represent [16:11] Then it's "not knowable" ...wait, I just did that one [16:12] you cant determin QM [16:12] ok it IS a mindfuck :D [16:12] A either exists or it doesn't. A either flies through walls or it doesn't. A is either unknowable or it isn't...but it's never both [16:12] i should have said determinable not knowable\ [16:13] but its not a logical xor queston [16:13] Then A is not determinable or it is...it's not both...logic works [16:13] * Kazim has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [16:13] its a wave function [16:13] what is the difference either is determinable or it isn't [16:13] Is there a cat in my box? [16:14] maybe! [16:14] but to say that its not determinable is wrong [16:14] Sorry, I don't have a box. You loose. ;-) [16:14] its approximate-able [16:14] but it will never be determinable [16:15] but all that has nothing to do with logic... [16:15] yes! [16:15] its a red herring mostly :P [16:16] * Liei has left #nonprophets [16:16] but athiest should feel free to fuck up QM any more the xtains should f up evolution [16:16] Then you're using logic in a more colloquial meaning...like this quantum particle behaves illogical...but that's not a way to formalize logic, since it still behaves, no matter what the impression is on you [16:16] shouldnt [16:17] huh? [16:17] thinks drunkmule is right about qm [16:18] i was being a nit picky asshat though :) [16:19] particles behaving illogical at quantum levels? or are we not yet established in that field to dare make such a claim about logic [16:19] Prost (or cheers to the english speaking majority) :) [16:19] i dont like the term illocically [16:19] the point is that it doesn't matter if we understand how quantum particles behave...they still behave in the way they do [16:19] because something doesnt confirm to what we consider logica, doesnt mean automatically the cause cant be at some point demistified [16:20] prost [16:20] but have demistifyed QM [16:20] but we have [16:20] then it shouldnt be said to be illogical [16:20] he understand it to an accuaracy near that of evlution [16:21] but it isnt determinable [16:21] then underterminable is a more accurate term [16:21] i want to aviod logic [16:21] logic is how the human mind understand things [16:21] (not all human minds: ) [16:21] fundies alert [16:21] lol [16:22] either logica or emotion [16:22] Logic is a means to an end? [16:22] Well, ok, in order to leave logic behind for a bit...is QM not determinable because we cannot find the causes, or because it doesn't follow cause and effECT? [16:22] the latter [16:22] but how could you possibly know? [16:23] science :) [16:23] quantum tunneling is a good example [16:23] elaborate, kindly? [16:23] How does the quote go..."If yo think you understand quantum theory then you don't understand quantum theory" [16:23] i thought youd want that.... [16:24] to prove that there's no cause and effect is like to prove that there's no god...there could always be some sort of cause that is just too small for us to see... [16:24] in tunneling you have a "wall" [16:24] its too high to ever get past [16:24] and you have a wave form that is a particle [16:25] its existice is probablaictic [16:25] like heat death? [16:25] it isnt at any point... it is a wave... all of the wave... everywhere it could be [16:25] no [16:25] oh wait [16:26] and when the wave crashes into the wall... it briefly is on the other side [16:26] it dint go over [16:26] or thought.. it was just on the other side [16:27] and this wall is what? [16:27] it there before it it arrived at the wall [16:28] only math can be used to discuss this :) [16:28] in real life.. the bose-einstin conensate is best example [16:28] Yeah, I've heard of that experiment. in a different context though...it was about time travel. Anyway the point was that no information passed the wall [16:28] yes... it does [16:28] and faster then the speed of light [16:29] sorta [16:29] but it's not information...let me give you another example: [16:29] ok but i gotta pee [16:29] well , light is itself made out of the full spectrum of frequencies [16:29] brb [16:29] let's say you have a laser pointer strong enough to project a point on the moon. [16:30] now you wiggle with the laser pointer [16:30] looks neat [16:30] since the moon is so far away, every tiny movement of your hand will cause a massive movement of the point on the moon [16:30] so ultimately, it's possible for the point to move faster than the speed of light [16:31] yeah, but sliiightly delayed too :) [16:31] is this a contradiction of Einstein? [16:31] No, because it was not information that moved, merely a projection [16:31] no. [16:32] the point itself relative to one other point can not move faster [16:32] the information moves from the laser pointer towards the moon, not from one position of the point to another [16:32] the distance between the two moving points can increase at a higher rate [16:32] sure it can [16:32] right on [16:33] doesnt mean either of the objects is traveling at larger than C [16:33] back.. let me catch up [16:33] more beer -> [16:34] light beer? [16:34] :) [16:34] no... the "point" is light reflected back from the surface of the moon to our eyes [16:35] no, the so called medium beer, 4,5% alc/vol [16:35] but someone could stand on the moon and receive the light [16:35] why not? [16:35] but i did actually buy a 6pack of light by accident first :) [16:35] insto, i feel your pain [16:35] Cuba Libre is the way to go :) [16:36] no... you had to buy what you did buy becasue the world is deteministic :) [16:36] but saying thata. on a really hot day a decently cold alcfree beer can be great [16:36] 4.5% is water Oo [16:36] NOO!!!!!! [16:36] yeah, i opened the first bottle and tasted it and was like wtf? [16:36] you take that back sir! [16:37] pwn, hell no :) [16:37] near beer is nither near or beer [16:37] alcfree... woah my german stomach just yelled in pain [16:38] well, the light one has 2,7% [16:38] i think my german grandmother die again... ust a little [16:38] I'm German and I don't drink beer at all... [16:38] * mond has quit IRC (mond) [16:38] i dont like beer much either [16:39] lol [16:39] i usually prefer czech lagers and pilseners but decided to go with a local lager [16:39] any of yee drink Cider? [16:39] sure [16:39] if I have to [16:39] :) [16:39] cider is nice [16:39] inferior dog piss [16:39] i dink vodka from new jersey.... [16:39] now that's good stuff on a hot day [16:39] < margaritas ae for hot days [16:40] * mihirgk has quit IRC (ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]) [16:40] I drink Rum "hencho en Cuba" [16:40] haven't had one of those [16:40] margaritas, that is [16:41] really??? [16:41] yes [16:41] you havnt lived!! [16:41] i get vodka from my polish neighbours... i think they clean their cars with that [16:41] tequilla triplesec and lime [16:42] are margaritas the ones with the salt on the rim/edge? [16:42] i like to add just a little soda water [16:42] yes [16:42] but i dont like the salt [16:43] * Sabina has quit IRC (CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) [16:43] find a girl, lick it from her neck and it is not a problem... but yeah the salt is nasty [16:44] * hpsh has quit IRC (hpsh) [16:46] * Disconnected Session Close: Sat Feb 21 16:46:14 2009