Session Start: Sat Apr 25 13:49:51 2009 Session Ident: #nonprophets [13:49] * Now talking in #nonprophets [13:49] * Topic is 'Tune in to the next LIVE Non-Prophets show, Saturday, April 25th, 2009! at 3:00pm eastern on http://www.nonprophetsradio.com, or visit the website for archived episode.' [13:49] * Set by Non-Prophets on Sat Apr 18 17:00:15 [13:49] I think they AH! [13:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +qo Non-Prophets Non-Prophets [13:50] bout time you showed up [13:50] yay! [13:50] I was going to start without you [13:50] They should have put up a wee flash game on the ACA site - mash up Matt's face. [13:50] * rudeboy chugs his beer [13:50] I don't watch the live stream, the chat is too distracting. [13:50] Canadian_hoser: you can open it in a separate window, and skip the chat entirely [13:50] It would be Punch-out, But instead of Tyson V Little Mac Matt V Jesus [13:51] I prefer Jumping Jesus on a Pogo Stick [13:51] it's a link near the video window on the ustream site, iirc. [13:51] I enjoy listening to the mpg downloads at work. [13:51] well, that works, too :) [13:52] * Atheist101 has joined #nonprophets [13:52] I listen to the Free THought repeats on Sunday AM [13:52] Hrm, ever since The Non Prophets played Sarah McLachlan on one of their earlier episodes, I've been listening to her Best Of album several more times. [13:52] ..than I would've thoght. [13:52] though that stream has issues [13:52] I simply love her. [13:52] Well, her voice - I don't care much about her personally, although she is sexy. [13:52] ok, stream is up and running [13:52] I friggin' hate being a pedantic prick. [13:52] lol [13:53] how about eclectic? [13:53] Work blocks most everything fun but not the atheist community and not Google video [13:53] Also, I found a 64-bit version of putty, which makes me all kinds of happy. [13:53] rudeboy: that just comes with being me - I chose to be pedantic, eclectic and eccentric is just who I am. [13:53] well, everyone has a hobby [13:53] * wxproof has joined #nonprophets [13:53] sometimes more than one .... [13:54] It smells like sex in here [13:54] my bad [13:54] wxproof: I take it that's a good thing? [13:54] someone spurt and not clean up after? [13:54] * LadyFriend has joined #nonprophets [13:54] Apparently it was Atheist101. [13:54] That's filthy talk, if you had jesus in your life you wouldn't say such vile things D:< [13:54] Jeez, if you're gonna type one handed use kleenex [13:54] what do you guys use to connect to the stream? [13:54] Bad atheist, bad! *whacks with newspaper* [13:55] winamp 2.95 [13:55] I use iTunes [13:55] Is the stream supposed to be silence currently? [13:55] I'm not listening to the stream right now given that I just about finished installing Windows 7 RC x64. [13:55] right now, there is no sudio [13:55] audio [13:55] * Non-Prophets sets mode: +o microbiologychick [13:55] so in other news, I see we all once again avoided the rapture bullet this week. You just know it's gotta be getting close now. [13:55] And given that I'll be busy installing all my apps I doubt I can pay too much attentionn [13:55] su su sudio [13:55] K, first time streaming so dunno if I'm doing this right [13:55] Oh, hey microbiologychick. Didn't you see hiding down there between us normal people. [13:56] Win 7 beta eh? [13:56] Now I'm special [13:56] rudeboy: no, RC - but Windows 7 all the same yes. [13:56] wait a second, is there an actual girl in here? [13:56] Yes [13:56] Leo Laporte says its the best windows yet [13:56] * Atheist101 has left #nonprophets [13:56] Ubuntu 9.04, just upgraded last night. [13:56] * Atheist101 has joined #nonprophets [13:56] microbiologychick: you've definitely got a pretty hoop :) [13:56] Canadian_hoser: installed that too, as a matter of fact. [13:56] all right,.Linux hoser [13:56] rudeboy: he's not wrong. [13:57] SUSe > ubuntu [13:57] I use Linux, FreeBSD, Windows and OSX. [13:57] And don't start flamewars, veritas0. [13:57] ambidexterous eh? [13:57] i'll try not to [13:57] Get enough windos at work [13:57] OS' are just as bad as religion when it comes to how heated discussions can get, and I'm not up for one with either subject. [13:57] I tried using FreeBSD, but I don't really do anything that justifies it. [13:57] rudeboy: I just like using different work for different people. [13:57] I prefer my MAC but my work requires I know both platforms. I should investigate linux though [13:57] As long as the OS supports my four monitors, I'll use it. [13:58] sensible [13:58] I'm still catching up. Running a two year old mac mini on TIger [13:58] I am lying back on my couch with my wirelessly connected laptop [13:58] a lasy hoser [13:58] heh [13:58] all YOUR bitches? [13:58] Hello [13:58] HI DR. NICK [13:58] ahhH! [13:59] rudeboy: Once you do, Ubuntu might interest you - but be warned that you may need to google for a Lifehacker (I think) article on installing EFIX (or whatever ti was called) since you can't install Linux directly on a macbook (due to Linuxs support for EFI) [13:59] damn you scared me [13:59] we have sound [13:59] I had just cranked up the volume before he said that. [13:59] Nick is a Doctor now? [13:59] Simpsons [13:59] I had someone at work suggest uBuntu as well [13:59] I'll be listening to classical music and finding all sorts of apps for my Windows 7 installation. [14:00] already have unix on the mac anyway. figured I'd install it on a PC platform [14:00] I simply wiped ALL my drives during this software upgrade. [14:00] but that's down the road somewhat right now [14:00] * Archaneus has joined #nonprophets [14:00] Why would you do such a thing? [14:00] * DorisES has joined #nonprophets [14:00] ThePain: because I wanted to. [14:00] clean install. ALWAYS the best way to go [14:00] I have everything backed up on my ~30Tb NAS. [14:00] Ubuntu is great, I have been using it for a few months. Deleted Vista. Boy does vista suck. [14:00] Ok nevermind then [14:00] lol [14:00] I thought you said you deleted EVERYTHING [14:00] Canadian_hoser: hey, it's not Windows ME at least. [14:01] ThePain: well, everything on my computer. [14:01] backed up his personal files [14:01] My NAS is running RAID1+5 and on zfs. [14:01] Vista is the new version of ME [14:01] Was about to say. I'd stab someone if they wiped my 500 gig [14:01] rudeboy: personal files, right. [14:01] Taht's very unfair [14:01] I can back up to disk or DVD [14:01] Canadian_hoser: that explains alot [14:02] * rudeboy shudders "ME" [14:02] veritas0: you're still doing it. [14:02] Vista is very stable and has actually better performance for games and the like in benchmarks [14:02] Millenium Edition [14:02] I tried to save someone's ME PC once. Made things a lot worse [14:02] the biggest mistake M$ ever made [14:02] ME crashed every couple hours [14:02] Archaneus: depends on the computer and the benchmarks used. [14:02] Vista has crashed on me.... maybe 5 times total? [14:02] * jim has joined #nonprophets [14:02] WIndows ME not the hoser me [14:02] * jim is now known as Guest16210 [14:02] veritas0: that's a lie. There's been MUCH worse products from Microsoft. [14:02] HOSER ME? new platform? [14:02] I'd think that XP would give better performance the vista. Vista is a powerhog by itself [14:03] My Vista hasn't BSOD'd -once-. [14:03] Well I just thought of a terrible argument thiests coulduse [14:03] you might be onto something there, hoser [14:03] veritas0: no, it's not. [14:03] ME is an old platform. [14:03] I've gotten two blue screens with vista [14:03] And stop inciting to flamewars, damn it. [14:03] but that's in about a year of using it [14:03] just funnin around [14:03] Are you really that fucking thick-skulled or just a troll? [14:03] only fundies think windows is any good [14:03] haha [14:03] Has anyone noticed the religion inspired versions of Ubuntu? [14:03] * debdrup marks Canadian_hoser as a troll and puts him on ignore. [14:04] * Guest16210 has quit IRC (Guest16210) [14:04] music is oozing out of my speakers [14:04] * pghatheist has joined #nonprophets [14:04] Laure] [14:04] anderson [14:04] Yeah, I heard about it [14:04] veritas0: are there others aside from Ubuntu Christian Edition? [14:04] OMG Laurie Andrson [14:04] Oozing is the word I'd use for this "music" [14:04] Laurie Anderson - FAB! [14:04] Never actually seen it though [14:04] Big Science [14:04] yep [14:04] Doh...you weren't supposed to hear that yet [14:04] DOH [14:04] I think there is a Satanist edition as well. Not sure if the muslims learned how to make one as yet. [14:04] heh [14:04] lol [14:05] "All files are locked to filemode 666" [14:05] I didn't then [14:05] satanist edition? with IMP APPS? [14:05] The Muslim edition is much like Quest for Bush, it's just a reskin of FreeBSD 1.1 [14:05] you're secret is safe with me [14:05] your [14:05] Haha, hearing there is a satanist edition makes me want to get ubuntu [14:05] no clue, i just thought it was silly so i overlooked it [14:05] http://ubuntusatanic.org/ [14:05] awesome. [14:05] Vista aint so bad. It was an incompatible bastard at first. [14:06] it'd be fun if there was a Flying Spaghetti Monster versio though :) [14:06] I didn't hear that either [14:06] Well, it is an imcomplete bastard [14:06] or pink unicorn? or cosmic muffin? [14:06] it was meant as a stepping stone towards 7 [14:06] WIN 666 [14:06] When a tea kettle smacks into the side of ISS and sends it crashing to earth you're all going to be eating your words. [14:06] the special edition [14:07] I am still a DOS man. :-) [14:07] whoa [14:07] * mathmexican has joined #nonprophets [14:07] A bit behind the times there, eh? [14:07] and debdrup is ignoring me because of my anti windows comments [14:07] I liked the old DOS [14:07] Ubuntu Jehovah's Witness Edition tries to connect to other servers and install itself [14:07] * delucias has joined #nonprophets [14:07] You sound fine [14:07] damn [14:07] * ntesla has joined #nonprophets [14:08] Ubuntu Muslim extremist Edition crashes and has more logic bombs than vista :) [14:08] Only 144,000 can use the Jehovah's Witness Edition though [14:08] Ooh.... no russell again? [14:08] mic cheks sounded fine to me [14:08] heh [14:09] "on sale NOW!" [14:09] * Bluegrass has joined #nonprophets [14:09] -> *chanserv* topic #nonprophets The Non-Prophets are LIVE at http://www.nonprophetsradio.com. Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for show information. [14:09] * ChanServ changes topic to 'The Non-Prophets are LIVE at http://www.nonprophetsradio.com. Visit http://www.nonprophetsradio.com for show information.' [14:09] You know, I haven't talked to him in about a week, either. Anyone know what's going on with Russell? [14:09] I'll stick to my Mac for now -- makes life easy [14:09] am I late [14:09] or just in time [14:09] The there is no athiest exdition of Ubuntu. It doesn't exist. [14:09] I'm confused, if we run with that annology then wouldn't the athiest edition of Ubuntu just be a blank disc? [14:09] * Robbery has joined #nonprophets [14:10] no, just a disk without faith [14:10] what about shinto? [14:10] Is there a blank disk to start with? [14:10] I di that after breakfast [14:10] Shinto would be many discs, all with no clear purpose [14:10] oh, here we g [14:10] o [14:10] oboy [14:10] right [14:10] what music is this [14:10] acgain [14:10] * Xellos has joined #nonprophets [14:10] Laurie ANderson [14:10] * Pombolo has quit IRC (CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) [14:11] No No No! All the atheist would use the FSM edition. FSM touches your files without you knowing as proof that he exist. [14:11] heh! [14:11] Did the show just start [14:11] yep [14:11] yes [14:11] okay [14:11] pull up a virtual chair [14:11] sorry, I'm afurniture [14:11] XD [14:11] then pull up a floor [14:11] can do [14:12] let X be Y [14:12] Y cause we like you [14:12] and Y be 42 [14:12] yay! [14:12] why x b y? [14:12] what makes Y? [14:12] of course [14:12] Z [14:12] * Pombolo has joined #nonprophets [14:12] Zzzzzz [14:12] hahaha [14:12] scientology intro? [14:12] x = x - x ? [14:12] Is this an all Austin Group? [14:12] 2b/=2b [14:12] they hail from austin, or is it hale? [14:13] no comet [14:13] no hail, eh? [14:13] <--- wretched creature [14:13] and call me dirty too [14:13] amen [14:13] Finally, an ACA message I can get behind [14:13] dirty -- that's easy [14:13] Jeff Dee burn in hell intro? [14:13] XD [14:14] Dig boys, dig. [14:14] advance notice [14:14] There is plenty of xtian follies out there [14:14] x = .9.... [14:14] 10x = 9.9.... [14:14] - x = -.9.... [14:14] 9x = 9 [14:14] x = 9/9 = 1/1 = 1 [14:14] OK, we'll think about it [14:14] fuxk it [14:14] discus everybody is wrong - why not also us [14:14] * Nate has joined #nonprophets [14:14] ... [14:14] what if i'm a tool but you do feel like talking about it lol [14:14] discus? you in the olympics? [14:14] don't start with your theoretic math = math in practice woot [14:15] I think I maybe don't get the point of that woot, why did you post it? [14:15] I need something I can sink my teeth into and not believe in [14:15] I am a tool, but I use mine with discretion [14:15] discus just goes around in circles then flies off at a tangent [14:15] when will the ACA have its first black president? [14:15] not sure there is a why there, archaneus [14:16] I heard Matt has a nice tan [14:16] The ACA is always trying to keep the black man down. [14:16] if we all think we are exclusively right then we must all be wrong - even us atheists [14:16] does that count? [14:16] how much of an asshole are all of us? [14:16] i'm 45% asshole :) [14:16] and is that the correct useage for the plural of that word? [14:16] Isn't it unfair to ask god to prove himself? If you consider god as a being instead of simply an object it would seem asking him to prove himself would be along the lines of trying to scientifically prove I'm going to punch Matt in the face. Unlike water that boils at a set temperature, it's nearly impossible to scientifically prove a will. You can prove I have the capability to punch you, but it is impossible to observe me to v [14:16] Or something [14:16] god was juggling Erin, apparently [14:16] the power of paddles? [14:17] LOL [14:17] I'm going to assume that was a joke, ThePain, because that's inane [14:17] Just trying to offer a subject [14:17] "Isn't it unfair to ask god to prove himself?", No it's not [14:17] unless they were jesus [14:17] I'm with Thad on this one [14:18] I find it very hard to listen to the show and follow the chat at the same time [14:18] whoa [14:18] ThePain, he loved showing himself off the in OT [14:18] I have to go to work today, I'll check it out [14:18] crapple icrap [14:18] OT? [14:18] according to theism, god created us with the capability to question him, therefore it would be unfair for us to be told NOT to question him. [14:18] drm included Dennis? [14:18] Old Testicle [14:18] sorry [14:18] lol [14:18] Old Testament [14:18] Extra show! Wonderful! [14:18] right the first time [14:18] abrahamic slip [14:18] slip of the hand [14:18] he did like to wear those [14:18] *rimshot* [14:19] instantrimshot.com [14:19] I probably should have phrased it "expect an answer" [14:19] remember when Elijah got God to call down fire and embarrass the prophets of Baal? [14:19] god I hope someone got that last gag [14:19] why can't he do that for us now? [14:19] sorry [14:19] apparently his game is getting good reviews [14:19] because Baal was right [14:19] I gagged too, but maybe not for that [14:19] :-p [14:19] The argument doesn't actually prove anything, it just seems like a bad issue to argue. [14:20] Is it really Baal or just Ball misspelled [14:20] Haha, you got it. He's just a giant bouncy ball [14:20] Asking god to prove himself is unfair? Unstated major premise 'god exists' has to proven before you can answer the question. [14:20] rudeboy, great shot [14:20] This ancient stuff is so amorphous anyway [14:20] site [14:20] ThePain, i don't think so. It seems that he LOVED showing himself back then. Not sure why he tries to hide himself now. If he wants everyone here to believe in him, he knows exactly what he needs to do. [14:21] I find it handy from time-to-time [14:21] BRB need some refreshment [14:21] ThePain - since the religion rests fairly heavily on mircles, the power of prayer and other supernatural events, it shouldn't be too unfair to ask that something of that nature be presented in order to prove to the world it's correct nature. [14:22] That's not really what I'm arguing. I'm saying most christians approach god as a being, yet a lot of the arguments I hear on ACA is considering him a constant, like the temp water boils at. You won't get far arguing that way. [14:22] haha [14:22] in other news, I'm freaking exhausted - college graduation is in two weeks and I can't get out of here fast enough [14:23] oh, that' [14:23] that's easy Pain - he's both at the same time [14:23] he's a being because he speaks and acts and thinks, but he's more of an event or constant because he's evrywhere at once. [14:24] I get the contradiction [14:24] * arcy has joined #nonprophets [14:24] ooh, saw this on Dawkins blog [14:24] ThePain, even if you approach God as a being, what's wrong with asking him to show himself? [14:24] Q: What's the best way to approach someone you know about what their beliefs are without making them hate/fear you? [14:24] Nothing is wrong [14:24] "He;s" a being? What's his genetic makeup? What's his skeletal weight? [14:24] you just won't get far with that argument [14:24] because theists are stubborn or dumb [14:24] one of the two [14:24] I tend to be very abrasive in general [14:25] if he's all powerful and everywhere at once, then asking him to appear is a logical course of action [14:25] You're missing my point rudeboy [14:25] So I wouldn't dance around it, Juju [14:25] But expecting an answer isn't [14:25] you won't get far, Pain - that's the point [14:25] Juju , give equal time to talk. Give him 5 minutes, you speak 5 minutes after. Make sure it's fair. [14:25] I can punch someone, proving I will punch someone at 4:15 today is pointless as I can choose not to. [14:25] That's not a conversation, that's a debate [14:26] And will probably just lead to talking past each other [14:26] Now my argument falls apart as you can't prove god did anything, like I have the capability to punch [14:26] ThePain, but if we ask you to, why wouldn't you? Seeing as how you want everyone to know that you exist? [14:26] I'm just saying that line of arguing isn't worth bothering with, you can win against a thiest so many other concrete ways [14:26] that was loud [14:26] * Blue has quit IRC (Blue) [14:26] well [14:26] that's all on the burden of proof [14:27] the whole argument rests on atheists saying "prove it" [14:27] I know [14:27] that's the move we're at in this hypothetical chess game XD [14:28] I was a thiest until 1 1/2 years ago, give me a little bit of room in the conceptual arguing D: [14:28] lol [14:29] ThePain, check this out http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Argument_from_inconsistent_revelations [14:29] I wouldn't say that SCOTUS not picking up a case is an endorsement of the lower court. [14:29] Here's something you'll discover very quickly if you do care at all to find out, ThePain. There is not a single question you can ask from a theist perspective that isn't answered and completely destroyed by some atheist out there [14:29] They select a very very small portion of cases. [14:29] so what was this case about? [14:29] I was clearly not paying attentionm [14:29] Apologetics completely and wholly fail, across the baord [14:29] *board [14:30] **Bored [14:30] lol kidding [14:30] Prick :P [14:30] pryck? [14:30] haha [14:30] hahaha [14:30] cut me some slack here - I live in Kentucky after all [14:31] That means you can't spell? [14:31] this is my oasis of sanity and logic [14:31] surprisingly, no [14:31] it means I'm surrounded by theists 24/7 [14:31] Oh, and btw, I don't agree with Matt on this issue [14:31] Agument from living in Kentucky. New logical fallacy? [14:31] no shame in that [14:31] Yeah, I understand that Bluegras [14:32] it's just a silly grammar joke ;-) [14:32] Kentuck? yow. that can't be fun [14:32] actually, it really is [14:32] I'm out of Atlanta, but am going to college in Lexington [14:32] well, as long as someone doesn't string you up [14:32] at UK [14:32] ah [14:32] they're fairly civilized savages here :-| [14:32] lol [14:32] they only burn crosses here, not people anymore [14:32] j/k [14:33] yeah, I listen to Mike Malloy out of Atlanta, so I know of the sitch [14:33] but there are a lot of weirdos here [14:33] I'm going home to GA in two weeks, as I'll be done(!) with school [14:33] That was true in my old college town too [14:33] yea! celebrate [14:33] you know it [14:33] what degree? [14:33] art XD [14:34] nice [14:34] Even more useless than English! KIDS!! [14:34] hah! [14:34] I'm a cartoonist, so [14:34] you can teach or illustrate [14:34] i got to get me a magic 8 ball [14:34] cartoons [14:34] yup [14:34] now that I can relate to [14:34] * Archaneus has quit IRC [14:35] I've worked in tv and feature animation since the late 70s [14:35] I did a cartoon, though I wouldn't really want to post it here for fear that someone might actually read it XD [14:35]